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With Victoria pulling out of the Commonwealth games and no other state wanting to step in it is clear Australia really doesn't have the heart for the Commonwealth anymore. While the significantly higher costs are largely to blame the fact that no other states view the Commonwealth games as worth it speaks volumes. They don't respect it as an event worth investing. They would rather host other international competitions.
First with the country ignoring the recent Coronation of their new head of state and now the snubbing of the Commonwealth I feel it's clear that Australia really is making it's views quite clear as to where it's headed.
The Commonwealth Games lost a lot of its popularity and following years ago.
I can recall back to the Brisbane games in 1982, when they were still a big deal.
Still, it’s a big shame that Melbourne have dropped this like a hot potato.
I’m no expert on Victoria or it’s politics and economy, but I honestly thought it could at least break even, and maybe encourage more tourism down the track.
We’re going down to Victoria in November, first time in many years, so am interested to see how it’s travelling.
The Commonwealth Games lost a lot of its popularity and following years ago.
I can recall back to the Brisbane games in 1982, when they were still a big deal.
Still, it’s a big shame that Melbourne have dropped this like a hot potato.
I’m no expert on Victoria or it’s politics and economy, but I honestly thought it could at least break even, and maybe encourage more tourism down the track.
We’re going down to Victoria in November, first time in many years, so am interested to see how it’s travelling.
I'm not big events accountant, but it seems really hard to make a buck on the Comm Games when they cost a couple of billion to host. Compare them to the women's world cup which seems to have a real buzz, a legitimate global audience in north America, Europe and Asia, and is costing $300m or so.
I'm not big events accountant, but it seems really hard to make a buck on the Comm Games when they cost a couple of billion to host. Compare them to the women's world cup which seems to have a real buzz, a legitimate global audience in north America, Europe and Asia, and is costing $300m or so.
I don't think the are building any new stadiums or public transport infrastructure for the women's world cup however, which is by far the biggest costs incurred in hosing such events to my knowledge?
No sure about the buzz thing, the only reason I even know it is about to start is because my niece will be one of the Kids leading the England team onto the field when the play Haiti on Friday.
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Yes mate, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. But I would suggest that Brisbane got it because John Coates (who if you have ever had anything to do with is an absolute low life) let the IOC know the Queensland government were cashed up yokels with an inferiority complex. We can all watch and marvel at how the bill will escalate from here. The final cost will be something around the $15b mark. Which is absurd for a city of 2.5m people. When Melbourne hosted the Olympics it was a completely different event run on a shoestring. The largesse – and brown paper bags – didn't really start until the 1970s.
The CG's actually have a very high cost considering their status in the sporting world and with the public at large. That's why they struggle to find any city willing to host. I think you're reading way too much into things trying to draw a conclusion about the republic movement based on this. The Labor Party in Victoria is republic through and through, if they thought hosting the CG's represented a nod to the monarchy they wouldn't have signed up for it in the first place.
Its was actually a South East Queensland bid, obviously Brisbane will be the front and center, but the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast will be both be holding multiple events and house athletes villages, roughly 66% of the athletics and support staff etc will be in stationed in Brisbane, 25% will be on the Gold Coast, and the rest on the Sunshine Coast. Even Toowoomba will be holding some of the football matches, as such the current population base for the bid is pretty much exactly the same now as what Sydney had when it hosted.
I agree about the costs, budling virtually anything these days leads to costs blowouts these days, as an accountant its something you see all the time, regardless of the size of the project.
Obviously you will be far more in the know if its money well spent or not.
Last edited by danielsa1775; 07-19-2023 at 09:42 PM..
I don't think the are building any new stadiums or public transport infrastructure for the women's world cup however, which is by far the biggest costs incurred in hosing such events to my knowledge?
No sure about the buzz thing, the only reason I even know it is about to start is because my niece will be one of the Kids leading the England team onto the field when the play Haiti on Friday.
Yeah, you're absolutely right on the new stadiums, but another big cost is housing all these athletes and officials. The GC had to house 5,000 athletes. Then add the coaches, medical people, admin, support staff and then the officials etc. It's a lot of construction for a couple of weeks. While you can build a "village" that can be turned into housing afterward it's not as simple as changing the paint scheme. It's hard to justify building anything for the CGs given the economic and social benefits are pretty much non-existent.
On the women's world cup, they've pre-sold 1.5m tickets which is apparently a record. It's not going to feel like the Olympics or the men's world cup, but it seems people are a lot more engaged with it than they are with CGs and the cost to deliver it is way less.
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Obviously you will be far more in the know if its money well spent or not.
Yeah, you're absolutely right on the new stadiums, but another big cost is housing all these athletes and officials. The GC had to house 5,000 athletes. Then add the coaches, medical people, admin, support staff and then the officials etc. It's a lot of construction for a couple of weeks. While you can build a "village" that can be turned into housing afterward it's not as simple as changing the paint scheme. It's hard to justify building anything for the CGs given the economic and social benefits are pretty much non-existent.
On the women's world cup, they've pre-sold 1.5m tickets which is apparently a record. It's not going to feel like the Olympics or the men's world cup, but it seems people are a lot more engaged with it than they are with CGs and the cost to deliver it is way less.
Yes mate, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. But I would suggest that Brisbane got it because John Coates (who if you have ever had anything to do with is an absolute low life) let the IOC know the Queensland government were cashed up yokels with an inferiority complex. We can all watch and marvel at how the bill will escalate from here. The final cost will be something around the $15b mark. Which is absurd for a city of 2.5m people. When Melbourne hosted the Olympics it was a completely different event run on a shoestring. The largesse – and brown paper bags – didn't really start until the 1970s.
The CG's actually have a very high cost considering their status in the sporting world and with the public at large. That's why they struggle to find any city willing to host. I think you're reading way too much into things trying to draw a conclusion about the republic movement based on this. The Labor Party in Victoria is republic through and through, if they thought hosting the CG's represented a nod to the monarchy they wouldn't have signed up for it in the first place.
Fair enough lol
I've read it will be cost $8 billion in which several Billilon provided by the government however I agree this is no doubt still a substantial bill for the Olympic Games however it usually pays off by slingshotting a City's status in the world which Brisbane is hoping to achieve. It is a long term investment. I do wonder how it will affect the next elections in Queensland if the state goes deeper into financial hardship
As for the Commonwealth games being canceled doesn't have anything to do with Republican and Monarchy politics. I agree to an extent. As I said I don't think Victoria cancelling this has anything to do with pushing toward a Republic but simply financial however it's the sheer lack of interest from the rest of Australia which interests me. They recognise the irrelevance of the Commonwealth games and have no interest in it at all really while they focus on other sporting events. It's just a very different Australia that was obvious to me while growing up. This mixed in with the compete lack of interest of the recent Coronation of the UK Monarch from the Australian public and politicians at large just shows Australia is outgrowing it's former colony.
In the past it always felt like New Zealand and Australia still had some sense of loyalty and admiration of the old world and was striving to keep a connection to it. This was made evident when these two nations were among the loudest when it came to being all too happy hosting the aristocratic elite and cultural events such as the CG. Now it appears they are completely indifferent towards it. Obviously this is largely down to the likes of the UK losing it's superpower status over half a century ago and bit by bit losing it's Global influence which has forced this part of the world to not view it as the all powerful motherland it once was and just another nation in which they now all enjoy equal status with each other.
The Commonwealth Games lost a lot of its popularity and following years ago.
I can recall back to the Brisbane games in 1982, when they were still a big deal.
Still, it’s a big shame that Melbourne have dropped this like a hot potato.
I’m no expert on Victoria or it’s politics and economy, but I honestly thought it could at least break even, and maybe encourage more tourism down the track.
We’re going down to Victoria in November, first time in many years, so am interested to see how it’s travelling.
Why was the Commonwealth games ever big in the first place? With the Olympics being the true multi sport competition for the world I never seen the Point of the Commonwealth games.
As for Victoria canceling it. I have to say I am suspicious. The Victorian government was very Gung ho with this decision not allowing the Commonwealth committee to respond and the figures they gave as to why it was canceled were wildly over exaggerated
Why was the Commonwealth games ever big in the first place? With the Olympics being the true multi sport competition for the world I never seen the Point of the Commonwealth games.
As for Victoria canceling it. I have to say I am suspicious. The Victorian government was very Gung ho with this decision not allowing the Commonwealth committee to respond and the figures they gave as to why it was canceled were wildly over exaggerated
Back in the pre-internet days of four tv networks and two major newspaper publishing groups, its was pretty easy to hype up events by "self published" advertising. Also, viewers and readers were largely starved of choice, so events like the CG offered a break from the same old, same old content they'd see and read every day.
Today there are so many options to entertainment and keeping up to date, events will only find an audience if there is genuine widespread interest. I guess, today at least, the CG has far too much competition from sports that genuinely do have a following.
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