No more new gas cars after 2035 in Massachusetts (minivan, AWD, seats)

[robr2]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Sounds great, but how exactly does it work--do you swipe your credit card?

Most work on via an app so you can be notified when the charge is done and to tell you to move it as idle times are at a higher rate.

[John-UK]

Originally Posted by robr2

Most work on via an app so you can be notified when the charge is done and to tell you to move it as idle times are at a higher rate.

Yep. To stop people using the on street charging bays as free parking.

It is far cheaper to charge your EV from home. But it is still far cheaper to pay for a charge than buying gasoline.

[John-UK]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU6iFYoyN4o

They took a 40A supply to the EV charger. This is in Canada, so would this have 240v two hot wire?

120v at 40 Amp is only 4.8kW. At 240v it is 9.6kW which will give a nice decent overnight charge. 9.6kW will give approx 32 miles charge per hour.


A 10 hour overnight charge while you are in bed will give you 320 miles in the battery when you set out in the morning - assuming the battery was empty when you started the charge.

In reality a 7.2kW charger, which gives about 25 miles per hour, is all you need as the battery will rarely be empty when reaching home.

[John-UK]

Originally Posted by robr2

Most work on via an app so you can be notified when the charge is done and to tell you to move it as idle times are at a higher rate.

You can charge from EV to EV using apps, with money moving from one account to the other automatically.

EVs can power your home in a power outage. When you plug into the house it only powers essential circuits.

[corolla5speed]

Originally Posted by John-UK

Using Texas who appear to have a third world grid, and equipment not built for freezing temperatures, is grasping onto straws to justify oil burning.

The wind turbines were either bad design, poor maintenance or poor installation, or a combination of any of the three. I saw a bus broken down last week - I does not mean all buses break down.

"some of these turbines certainly froze in the recent bitingly cold conditions But so did vital equipment at gas wells and in the nuclear industry. And these failures in the non-renewable energy sector had a much greater impact. So although nearly half of Texas's wind-energy capacity was lost at the peak of the freeze, twice as much overall was being lost from other sources."

""Operators [in Texas] didn't invest in the usual weatherization or ice protection techniques says Prof Sovacool "because generally they didn't expect it to become so cold,""

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56085733

Wind power is used extensively around the world, to great success.

Wind turbines froze world wide.

https://youtu.be/zqM9OIPzMHs

I may have missed the post where this information has been posted but Texas has more to be taken into consideration when it comes to population, land area and how E.V.'s fit into the transportation system.

Take for instance growth rate of Texas being ten times that of Norway. A total of 4.2 million people became Texans over the last 10 year census period which almost equals the entire population of Norway.

Thats a lot of wire to be added to the grid and additional energy to be produced.

Add to that a temperature swing seasonal comparison of between winter and summer in Norway and Texas in the largest population centers and you find Texas has to produce more power

per capita because of it's environment.

Actually Norway summer temperatures are a lot closer to San Francisco 60f degree requiring no A/C in summer by comparison with Texas being in the 90's

Surprisingly winters in Norway population centers are quite similar to Dallas.

Add to this the Norway's population going back hundreds of years all speaking one native language primarily demonstrates

Texas and it's new giga a factory is light years ahead of most in spite of many obstacles having to do with growth and climate control

Texas is growing and in spite of hiccup along the way will be just fine in the long run.

Pickups aren't going away and electric cars are welcome it a choice around here the will of the people regulated by vote not mandated by royalty or Authoritarianism.

E.V.'s will find their place in the worlds transportation system as they earn confidence. It has taken the I.C.E. engine 100 plus years to develop in to being able to

start and run 500 miles flawlessly in weather extremes from -50f to 130F and do it every day for 200,000 miles by just following maintenance guidelines.

I've driven 500 miles many times in the past none stop as an owner operator hauling steel and on vacation in our car to to visit family across the country.

E.V.'s are working on proving themselves under those conditions, add to that an unreliable supply chain, with liquid cooled

inverters, battery packs, surrounded by 370 vac plus high voltage cables and 5 vdc control voltages and the E.V. becomes

a choice between toilet paper and a bidet that does not appeal to most Americans.

[John-UK]

Originally Posted by corolla5speed

Wind turbines froze world wide.

https://youtu.be/zqM9OIPzMHs

That was pure propaganda. Only the naive could be sucked in by that.

That 4.5 million population increase, I assume all had electricity supplies.

You think EVs should drive 500 miles non-stop? It is hard to find trains that do that. It is irresponsible to drive that long without a break.
But as only the odd few individuals drive that long, it is not an issue.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by John-UK

That was pure propaganda. Only the naive could be sucked in by that.

That 4.5 million population increase, I assume all had electricity supplies.

You think EVs should drive 500 miles non-stop? It is hard to find trains that do that. It is irresponsible to drive that long without a break.
But as only the odd few individuals drive that long, it is not an issue.

I think there will be market demand in the US for 500+ miles range consumer vehicles though that doesn't mean a person is going to drive 500 miles non-stop. There are at least four vehicles slated for US release within the next two years with models targeting 500+ rated range.


There are a few reasons for this. One is that though it is the far minority of vehicle usage that would take advantage of that, it does still exist and moreover, there is demand for the *ability* to do so even if seldom if ever done. Another is that there is some demand for towing relatively long distances between stops which means that a 500+ mile range vehicle could become a 250+ mile range vehicle depending on the load. Finally, the long range could also be essentially a byproduct for other things that some niche customers want since a larger capacity battery often means more power available at any point so for those niche cars targeting incredible performance that requires large amounts of peak power delivery, then a large battery is essentially by default what will come with it--conversely this is also probably part of why the Cybertruck's highest trim level is targeting such absurd 0-60 mph speeds. It's probably not that truck owners are demanding such ridiculous peak power output from their vehicles so much as the target is for people who want to tow large amounts relatively long distances between recharging and so there was a need for a very large battery pack and the range that comes with it, but doing so also meant that peak power delivery possible was also very high so they might as well have that kind of performance. I think that's maybe the primary smart move by Tesla when it started out--that range and peak performance were essentially going to come together, so to get over range anxiety with the battery prices and energy densities available a decade ago meant that performance vehicles, which are luxury vehicles and have really high ceilings in regards to how much people will pay for them such that then battery prices were easily swallowed by the cost of the vehicle, were what they targeted initially.


These are very much niches that don't apply to the vast majority of vehicles and vehicle usage patterns, but they are niches that exist and in a market as large as the US's (and also, the world), there is enough to create sufficient market demand that some automakers will try to fill.

[southernnaturelover]

Originally Posted by John-UK

That was pure propaganda. Only the naive could be sucked in by that.

That 4.5 million population increase, I assume all had electricity supplies.

You think EVs should drive 500 miles non-stop? It is hard to find trains that do that. It is irresponsible to drive that long without a break.
But as only the odd few individuals drive that long, it is not an issue.

A 2020 Toyota Camry can go 594 miles on a tank of gas. It’s not an unreasonable expectation.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by southernnaturelover

A 2020 Toyota Camry can go 594 miles on a tank of gas. It’s not an unreasonable expectation.

Virtually nobody buys a Toyota Camry because it has the range of 594 miles on a tank of gas. It is a nice byproduct of having high fuel efficiency, but it's unlikely to be for most a cited reason for why they get a Camry.

[southernnaturelover]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Virtually nobody buys a Toyota Camry because it has the range of 594 miles on a tank of gas. It is a nice byproduct of having high fuel efficiency, but it's unlikely to be for most a cited reason for why they get a Camry.

For people who make trips they notice. I certainly noticed that I could drive my Sonata from FL panhandle to western NC without refilling, and I did it numerous times.