No more new gas cars after 2035 in Massachusetts (2011, red light, motorcycle)
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Governments are not telling you what to drive. They are just stopping you pouring out poisonous fumes that ends up inside people's lungs. That is all they are doing. Then anyone can indulge to be as much of a Luddite as they like.
What if a new internal combustion vehicle comes out that's 80% less polluting? Or a hybrid that goes 100 miles in electric mode? The government would make those illegal as well? That makes no sense.
I think it's better for everyone and for the environment and for the economy to encourage the right thing through tax incentives, but not through outright bans.
So they have to arrange for the bigger batteries and battery charging stations that charge the cars in max half an hour. It does not seem practical right now as less cars are seen.
I wouldn't be surprised if these bans eventually end up in the courts.
I think that court decisions are inevitable. Toyota is aready publishing press releases extolling the virtues of plus in hybrids
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Originally Posted by Toyota Press ReleaseFebruary 10, 2021
Between now and 2025, Toyota and Lexus models, globally, will have an electrified option. Toyota is also developing a dedicated BEV platform, e-TNGA, that offers flexibility for all drive configurations. These initiatives are further steps toward achieving the Toyota Environmental Challenge 2050, introduced in 2015, the most demanding and most inspiring environmental commitments Toyota has ever made.
“We believe the fastest way to lower greenhouse gases in the transportation sector is to offer drivers lower carbon choices that meet their needs,” said Gill Pratt, chief scientist of Toyota Motor Corporation and CEO of Toyota Research Institute. “At every price point and with multiple powertrains, we can put more people in cleaner automobiles across North America to have the greatest near-term impact on total carbon emissions.”
Toyota shared highlights of new internal research evaluating the environmental impact and cost of ownership between a PHEV and a BEV. For this research, Toyota created a tool that shows the trade-off between GHG Emissions and Total Cost of Ownership. The source code for this tool is publicly available at carghg.org for others to experiment with the various input parameters and see the movement of BEVs and PHEVs on the GHG and cost plot
The Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid (Prius Prime in the USA) began deliveries of the production model began in Japan in late February 2012 in the United States, The 4.4 kWh battery gave it an EPA range of 11 miles, before it switched to gasoline.
The second generation of Prius Prime began deliveries in the USA in November 2016. The battery size was doubled to 8.8 kWh, and the all electric range was more than doubled to 25 miles.
The RAV4 Prime was unveiled at the December 2019 LA Auto Show with an 18.1 kWh battery giving an EPA estimated all electric range of 42 miles.It also has an acceleration from 0–60 mph in 5.7 seconds which is the fastest of any Toyota except the Supra with the 3.0 Liter engine, which is actually made by BMW in Austria and has the same engine as the BMW Z4 M.
More reasons why only people who run successfully a small business should become politicians.
It is sad how many people lack the basic understandings of economics, yet make impactful decisions on all of us.
I successfully run a small business, and I would have just charged a carbon tax on the companies, a larger gas guzzler tax at purchase or transfer to MA applicable to all fossil fuel vehicles, and slowly raised the gas tax by an order of magnitude over the course of several years, and put most of that into strengthening the electrical grid and improving mass transit, bike, and pedestrian infrastructure.
But even if all manufacturers switched overnight to making ONLY EVs, it would take 30 YEARS of production and sales to even replace HALF the fleet in the US alone! Since that's not happening, it'll take a lot longer, even with these regulations in place. So there's PLENTY of time to get ready.
What if a new internal combustion vehicle comes out that's 80% less polluting? Or a hybrid that goes 100 miles in electric mode? The government would make those illegal as well? That makes no sense.
Toyota as the largest manufacturer of California Vehicles has been pushing for a layered approach. They intend to introduce a full hybrid version of every model they sell which will be particularly attractive to renters or other people who don't have a place to plug in overnight.
So far Toyota only has hybrid engines that are 1.8L, 2.0L, and 2.5L
Prius and Prius Prime 1.8L
Corolla | compact car 2.0L
Camry |midsize car 2.5L
RAV4 |Corolla frame and RAV4 Prime 2.5L
Highlander |Camry frame 2.5L
Avalon luxury car 2.5L
Venza 2.5L
Sienna 2.5L
Toyota is supposedly working on larger hybrid engines to replace the 2.7L and 3.5L engine in the Tacoma, the 4.0L engine in the 4Runner, and the 5.7L V8 in the Toyota Tundra, Sequia, and Land Cruiser. The fast coupes and roadsters like the Supra (variation on BMW Z4) and the 86 will almost certainly be replaced with electric vehicles with the higher torque. The C-HR is sold as both a hybrid and an EV in other countries, but so far not in the United States. Toyota must make a decision if this low selling vehicle should offer a hybrid version or simply be dropped from the lineup (like the Yaris).
Most popular automobile models in Massachussets
1 Honda Accord
2 Toyota Camry
3 Honda Civic
4 Toyota Corolla
5 Nissan Altima
6 Toyota Rav4
7 Honda Cr-V
8 Jeep Grand Cherokee
9 Hyundai Sonata
10 Nissan Maxima
11 Hyundai Elantra
12 Ford Explorer
13 Ford Focus
14 Ford Taurus
15 Ford F150
16 Chevrolet Malibu
17 Nissan Sentra
18 Chevrolet Impala
19 Ford Escape
20 Chevrolet Silverado
Toyota has been particularly vocal about their argument that the plug in hybrid vehicles have the same environmental impact as full battery electrical vehicles. The argument is there is an environmental cost of making the huge batteries. The plug in hybrids use much smaller batteries since gasoline takes over when the electric battery is depleted
They have sold the folowing plus in vehicles so far in the United States
11 miles first generation plug in Prius (marketed as Prime) - 4.4 kWh battery
25 miles second generation plug in Prius (marketed as Prime) - 8.8 kWh battery
42 miles plug in RAV4 (marketed as Prime)- 18.1 kWh battery
Toyota is promising another model for 2022, but it may be a Lexus.
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Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts
I think it's better for everyone and for the environment and for the economy to encourage the right thing through tax incentives, but not through outright bans.
Norway has a lot of control over taxes on vehicles since all cars are imports. They simply exempt the EVs from taxes, and it makes them the overwhelming financial choice. Sales of BEV are 54% for 2020, and many of the remaining vehicles are PHEV or HEV. Only a small percentage are vehicles solely with an Internal Combustion Engine.
But Norway has much better public transit, and the average price of a new vehicle is ~$62,000 USD.
Unfortunately, I believe that if in 10 years you could literally buy any vehicle in the United States for the same purchase price as a gasoline or as battery electric vehicle, you would still have many people who would not choose the EV. People who rent their homes, or whose garage is full of stuff. Also people who tow things regularly will find the hours spent recharging on a trip as impossible.
Last edited by PacoMartin; 06-09-2021 at 07:31 AM..
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