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It is kind of impressive how the MPG of big trucks has crept up to respectable levels. I mean nice trucks (and there are some REALLY nice ones) are basically today's version of a domestic luxury car and they aren't really any less efficient than those cars were.
Yes, and the motors become more efficient from year to year. Fully automatic transmissions with more than 5 speeds (some are even 8-speed) have made a big difference, too.
What is the motley assortment of vehicles you've listed? How are they representative for most of the EVs sold in the US? Tesla sells about 4 out of 5 EVs in the US and most of those are its Model 3 and now Model Y vehicles. It would seem like they would be a lot more representative of most of the EVs sold in the US.
Model 3 SR+ $36,999. Range = 263 miles
Model 3 LR $45,990. Range = 353 miles
Model Y LR $48,999. Range = 326 miles
That range is mostly cow pies. I recently test drove a model 3 LR and was able to eat through about 70 miles of range in less than 30 minutes and maybe 20 actual miles of driving. 353 miles my butt. The AC was off most of the time and windows were up because I wanted to see if I will vomit from the awful stench of fresh pleather that covers M3's interior. It got very very close.
Now, of course you will say "but if you flog a gas car it will eat through gas too". And that is very true. But the Tesla is supposed to be "the future" and next gen tech. Why is it behaving like the old tech and in the worst way?
That range is mostly cow pies. I recently test drove a model 3 LR and was able to eat through about 70 miles of range in less than 30 minutes and maybe 20 actual miles of driving. 353 miles my butt. The AC was off most of the time and windows were up because I wanted to see if I will vomit from the awful stench of fresh pleather that covers M3's interior. It got very very close.
Now, of course you will say "but if you flog a gas car it will eat through gas too". And that is very true. But the Tesla is supposed to be "the future" and next gen tech. Why is it behaving like the old tech and in the worst way?
Oh no... You said something negative about an electric car and a thread the electric car police are going to come in here and tell you how misinformed you are and how electric cars are vastly superior to everything in all of history ever and if you don't think that will you are just misinformed.
The only real difference between a Tesla and another version of an electric car is that the Tesla uses lithium-ion batteries. The benefit you get with a lithium ion battery is a longer lifespan. It's not going to store any more energy it's not going to let you drive farther it's just a longer period before it's no longer usable.
I would give it time and see what they do with this solid state battery. If you really want an electric car. Maybe give them a few more years to make them better.
That range is mostly cow pies. I recently test drove a model 3 LR and was able to eat through about 70 miles of range in less than 30 minutes and maybe 20 actual miles of driving. 353 miles my butt. The AC was off most of the time and windows were up because I wanted to see if I will vomit from the awful stench of fresh pleather that covers M3's interior. It got very very close.
Now, of course you will say "but if you flog a gas car it will eat through gas too". And that is very true. But the Tesla is supposed to be "the future" and next gen tech. Why is it behaving like the old tech and in the worst way?
You can't bash their religion like that with bringing reality into the conversation. EV's are a huge step backwards in capability and function. It is regressive but it makes them feel better.
You can't bash their religion like that with bringing reality into the conversation. EV's are a huge step backwards in capability and function. It is regressive but it makes them feel better.
EVs are actually better for people who make frequent short trips, especially in cooler weather. That type of driving can cause sludge to form in a gas engine and moisture in the exhaust system.
This is one reason why I think PHEVs are the best answer. Pure electric driving for short trips around town, and gas for longer highway trips.
The only real difference between a Tesla and another version of an electric car is that the Tesla uses lithium-ion batteries. The benefit you get with a lithium ion battery is a longer lifespan. It's not going to store any more energy it's not going to let you drive farther it's just a longer period before it's no longer usable.
I would give it time and see what they do with this solid state battery. If you really want an electric car. Maybe give them a few more years to make them better.
This demonstrates a laughably poor understanding of battery technology. The five main parameters in electric vehicle battery design are cost, weight, volume, range, and longevity. You could use lead acid batteries but to get 250 mile range, the car would weigh 10,000 pounds and would be nothing but battery. A plug-in hybrid with lead acid batteries gives you a few miles of electric range. Same as a golf cart. Lithium batteries store far more charge than lead acid batteries by weight and volume but they’re expensive. The challenge is industrial engineering to knock much of the cost out. We’re not quite there yet.
EVs are actually better for people who make frequent short trips, especially in cooler weather. That type of driving can cause sludge to form in a gas engine and moisture in the exhaust system.
This is one reason why I think PHEVs are the best answer. Pure electric driving for short trips around town, and gas for longer highway trips.
I also really like the concept of the plug-in hybrid with generous range (40-60 miles). If you can get your commuting and local driving done in pure EV mode, then you've got 80-90% of the green benefits of an EV, and when you want to go on a trip, the same vehicle can offer you convenient long-range driving. Sadly, not many plug-in hybrids *have* generous range, so currently there are few options.
I also really like the concept of the plug-in hybrid with generous range (40-60 miles). If you can get your commuting and local driving done in pure EV mode, then you've got 80-90% of the green benefits of an EV, and when you want to go on a trip, the same vehicle can offer you convenient long-range driving. Sadly, not many plug-in hybrids *have* generous range, so currently there are few options.
I don't consider 40 - 60 miles generous range, and the "green" benefits are an unnecessary illusion.
I don't consider 40 - 60 miles generous range, and the "green" benefits are an unnecessary illusion.
So you're entitled to your own opinions about range, but you're not entitled to your own facts on green benefits. This has been covered here dozens of times, I don't really have the energy to do it one more time, nor do I think that it will make any difference - you don't want that to be true, so you'll continue saying it isn't.
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