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If I was a Dodge investor I would not be happy. They have an extremely popular (although aged) car lineup, of people who love big engines, and big cars. Obviously there will be some curiosity with the niche of electric, but I just don't see their customer base moving over.
Toyota the worlds largest automaker, doesn't see their customers going electric anytime soon and they are not doing converting cars to electric.
If I was a Dodge investor I would not be happy. They have an extremely popular (although aged) car lineup, of people who love big engines, and big cars. Obviously there will be some curiosity with the niche of electric, but I just don't see their customer base moving over.
Toyota the worlds largest automaker, doesn't see their customers going electric anytime soon and they are not doing converting cars to electric.
Who do you think will succeed, and who will fail?
You got this all wrong - the new versions of the Dodge Challenger and Charger are dropping the V8 Hemi - they will still have gas versions - this was the announcement “The Hemi-powered Charger and Challenger are going away after 2023.” The first ones out with the new body in 2024 model will likely be all electric but they are planning to have a 3.0L available.
According to autoweek, they are replacing the Hemi in a new Charger and Challenger with the Hurricane 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline six-cylinder - the standard output Hurricane makes 420 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque and the high-output is rated at 510 hp and 500 lb-ft of torque. The Dodge and Chrysler brands are scheduled to go all-EV by about 2028.
Also Toyota already is going electric - they have an extensive collection of Hybrids, PHEVs, Hydrogen Electrics and pure EVs - they are already selling the bZ4X and Lexus RZ that are only available as electric vehicles and have said they are spending $30B on a 3 year plan to compete better in the EV marketplace. Also the California push to EVs allows a significant number of vehicles to be PHEVs (50+ mile electric range) in their goal to only allowing EVs to be sold by 2035.
You got this all wrong - the new versions of the Dodge Challenger and Charger are dropping the V8 Hemi - they will still have gas versions - this was the announcement “The Hemi-powered Charger and Challenger are going away after 2023.” The first ones out with the new body in 2024 model will likely be all electric but they are planning to have a 3.0L available.
According to autoweek, they are replacing the Hemi in a new Charger and Challenger with the Hurricane 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline six-cylinder - the standard output Hurricane makes 420 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque and the high-output is rated at 510 hp and 500 lb-ft of torque. The Dodge and Chrysler brands are scheduled to go all-EV by about 2028.
Also Toyota already is going electric - they have an extensive collection of Hybrids, PHEVs, Hydrogen Electrics and pure EVs - they are already selling the bZ4X and Lexus RZ that are only available as electric vehicles and have said they are spending $30B on a 3 year plan to compete better in the EV marketplace. Also the California push to EVs allows a significant number of vehicles to be PHEVs (50+ mile electric range) in their goal to only allowing EVs to be sold by 2035.
It seems Dodge has been very quiet and hesitant on releasing information about their gas cars. Could be marketing trying to drive up sales for 2023.
Anyway, the 2023 Challenger is going to be a future classic.
Toyota had had PHEVs for a long time. Toyota is holding out through 2035 to see how the markets sift out, but I believe they are looking to see how the next elections turn out before making moves.
Toyota the worlds largest automaker, doesn't see their customers going electric anytime soon and they are not doing converting cars to electric.
Toyota is planning on selling many more electric vehicles in China and Europe, but they have very modest sales goals for the US.Toyota is expecting 10,000 bZ4X sales in the US for 2023 (mostly in California) which is lower than Toyota''s plug in hybrid sales for 2022.
18,567 RAV4 Prime
11,857 Prius Prime
Although Toyota made a big deal out of designing an affordable EV, it is in fact not really competitive with the Tesla Model 3.
Tesla Model 3 RWD pricing starts at $43,990 plus federal tax credits and 272 mile EPA range
Toyota bZ4x pricing starts at $42,000 not eligible for federal tax credits and 252 mile EPA range
Toyota and Tesla were the #1 and #2 automakers by number of vehicles sold in California in 2022.
Investors are returning to Tesla with a 35% rise in Tesla stock prict in January 2023.
Toyota had had PHEVs for a long time. Toyota is holding out through 2035 to see how the markets sift out, but I believe they are looking to see how the next elections turn out before making moves.
No, Akio Toyoda was CEO and even though he was spending $30-35 billion on electrified projects, he was hedging his bet on them. BUT, this past week he "retired" as CEO and Lexus and Gazoo Racing's top boss, Koji Sato, took over. And he's all for electrification and performance cars, promising that ALL Lexus models will be electrified or all electric by 2030. Sato, Like Toyoda, does like hydrogen vehicles, but that's a dead end globally and he's moving on to electrification.
There will be 2500-3500 series ICE trucks for a while, but as battery density and range goes up, those trucks will find themselves being replaced as well, due to the absolute monster torque electric motors provide.
Think about this, in 2010 most EVs had a 50-80 mile range, had only Level 2 charging at the most, and cost about $30k. Now a $30k EV has a 250-300 mile range and more power than the old ones AND has fast charging capability. Trucks are at the beginning of that curve now. In 10 years time, who knows how advanced they will be.
Toyota is pursuing fuel cell technology instead and has been for 20 years. They think electrict is a temporary step and will nto prove practical. If they are right, they will be the clear cut leaders while the others race to catch up. If they are wrong, the might go out of business in 50 or 80 years.
Toyota is pursuing fuel cell technology instead and has been for 20 years. They think electrict is a temporary step and will nto prove practical. If they are right, they will be the clear cut leaders while the others race to catch up. If they are wrong, the might go out of business in 50 or 80 years.
Unless there’s something about the technology that I’m missing, it’s going to be very hard to get people to go back to a system that requires fueling somewhere other than home since clearly EV saturation is ramping up and the “apartment problem” will likely be solved before fuel cell cars appear in any big numbers.
Aviation and industrial machinery are the perfect market for fuel cells. Personal vehicles are the perfect market for EV. Maybe hydrogen pickups if somehow we never solve the towing issue with EV (except they certainly will).
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