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View Poll Results: Who will survive
Dodge, electric is the future 8 10.81%
Toyota, were keeping gas around 66 89.19%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-01-2023, 11:37 AM
 
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I've taken a dozen+ 700-900 mile road trips in my EV. There are chargers everywhere (usually no more than 50 miles apart, so that people with modern 250+ mile range EVs have no trouble finding them). BUT 90% of people drive less than 250 miles a day, so charging at home is sufficient for 99% of the use cases. Not merely around town, but look on a map at how far that really is.

It takes 20 minutes on a road trip to charge the batteries at a Level 3 charger and at home it takes me 10 seconds to recharge: 5 seconds to plug in when I get home and 5 to unplug when I leave in the morning to go to work or run errands or head off on a trip. The actual time charging is done while I sleep.

I'd rather deal with that and never have to GO somewhere to "fill up" in my daily use, even if I have to spend 20 minutes on a pit stop halfway on the rare road trip. And spending $6-7 for 300 miles of range instead of $50 to do the same in a gas car and deal with the fluctuating prices of gas.

I'll stick with gas for my tow vehicle, that only sees about 1200 miles a year as it gets 10 mpg and has a 35 gallon tank, so it cost a lot to fill up. But for daily use, I'll NEVER go back to gasoline.


Also about storms and power.. You do realize that when power goes out to your home, it doesn't magically suck all the power out of your EV even if it's plugged in, right? For most people if the power goes out, they still have a week of driving until it's out, and if necessary, they CAN go to a local fast charge place and get enough juice for another week of normal driving.

And you do know that if power does go out from storms, often gas station pumps no longer work,either, right? They run on electricity, too.

Quit listening to Tucker Carlson or the Koch brothers.



Mine on one of my dozens of road trips:

Like I said... if you like the EVs, go for it. I wouldn't dream of controlling what you drive. There's no need to get defensive and rude (your Tucker Carlson comment).

I'd rather have gasoline. Don't assume that everybody has the charging areas you brag about having in your area. We don't. When and if I see them popping up around here, maybe, just maybe, I'll reconsider. But only if I don't have to wait 20 minutes for a full charge while on a road trip. It doesn't work for me. I hope that's OK with you.
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Old 02-01-2023, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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We are all well aware of the scarcity of "electricity pumps" along our nation's highways, and how long it takes to recharge the batteries. We're also well aware of what storms do to power lines , and how many days/weeks it takes to restore that power.

No thanks.

Ya wanna go electric? Go ahead.

As for the rest of us... we'll stick with gasoline.
For the time being.

Eventually, the snafus will be resolved, and electric will become the only choice for new vehicles. Meanwhile, I drive a hybrid SUV that gets 30 mpg, while the identical gas-only model gets 15 mpg. Who wouldn't prefer that?

Since I live on an island, I would consider a Tesla if I had a place to plug it in. Unfortunately, electrification of my condo parking lot is probably years away. Meanwhile, I use about two tanks of gas per month.
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Old 02-01-2023, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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For the time being.

Eventually, the snafus will be resolved, and electric will become the only choice for new vehicles. Meanwhile, I drive a hybrid SUV that gets 30 mpg, while the identical gas-only model gets 15 mpg. Who wouldn't prefer that?

Since I live on an island, I would consider a Tesla if I had a place to plug it in. Unfortunately, electrification of my condo parking lot is probably years away. Meanwhile, I use about two tanks of gas per month.
plus you have another aggravation to deal with the rest of us dont have: running from lava. I hear its hot.
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Old 02-01-2023, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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We are all well aware of the scarcity of "electricity pumps" along our nation's highways, and how long it takes to recharge the batteries. We're also well aware of what storms do to power lines , and how many days/weeks it takes to restore that power.

No thanks.

Ya wanna go electric? Go ahead.

As for the rest of us... we'll stick with gasoline.
I 100% guarantee that you are not as "aware" of the location of charging stations as you think you are.

I repeat: 100% guarantee.
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Old 02-01-2023, 02:15 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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When and if I see them popping up around here, maybe, just maybe, I'll reconsider.
Perfect example of "ICE thinking". Unless you live in an apartment, why would you require local charging? See what we mean? It's like trying to explain to color blind person what "green" is. You just can't comprehend it, and sadly, most don't seem to even want to.

And to be clear, by "want to" I don't mean "want to get one". I mean "want to understand that of which they speak." Nowadays willful ignorance seems to be the preferred method of conversation, especially regarding this topic.
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Old 02-01-2023, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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plus you have another aggravation to deal with the rest of us dont have: running from lava. I hear its hot.
LOL! No hot lava on Maui for a couple hundred thousand years, but we are dealing with VOG (volcanic smog) that blows across the islands daily from the Big Island. Burning eyes and respiratory problems are common.

VMAP Vog Forecast Dashboard

Some people move to the mainland to get away from it.
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Old 02-01-2023, 04:03 PM
 
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For the time being.

Eventually, the snafus will be resolved, and electric will become the only choice for new vehicles. Meanwhile, I drive a hybrid SUV that gets 30 mpg, while the identical gas-only model gets 15 mpg. Who wouldn't prefer that?

Since I live on an island, I would consider a Tesla if I had a place to plug it in. Unfortunately, electrification of my condo parking lot is probably years away. Meanwhile, I use about two tanks of gas per month.
If it's market driven, fine.
But if it's government mandated, not fine.

I don't care how many charging stations there are or aren't right now. We travel a lot by car. I don't want to wait 20 or more minutes for a "fill up".

Our gas-only vehicle gets 38 MPG highway.
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Old 02-01-2023, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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If it's market driven, fine.
But if it's government mandated, not fine.

I don't care how many charging stations there are or aren't right now. We travel a lot by car. I don't want to wait 20 or more minutes for a "fill up".

Our gas-only vehicle gets 38 MPG highway.
You should be able to drive your gas-only vehicle easily for the rest of your life.

A problem would arise only if you wanted to buy a new vehicle after ICE production ends.

Solution: Buy a new car just before production ends and hang onto it.
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Old 02-01-2023, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Columbus, GA and Brookhaven, GA
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As a Tesla owner, I am happy to admit that going EV was the worst decision ever. EV cars are horrible and I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone. My Tesla is the least efficient, most annoying car I’ve ever owned. This EV infatuation needs to stop now. I’ll never buy electric again.
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Old 02-01-2023, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Columbus, GA and Brookhaven, GA
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If it's market driven, fine.
But if it's government mandated, not fine.

I don't care how many charging stations there are or aren't right now. We travel a lot by car. I don't want to wait 20 or more minutes for a "fill up".

Our gas-only vehicle gets 38 MPG highway.
Try 35-50 minutes to charge at a super charging station. It’s 6-8 hours at home. That’s reality. My battery on my Tesla has lost another 30 miles of charging in less than 2 years. Going back to combustion here in 2 months, can’t wait.
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