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[BostonBornMassMade]

Police taking Ls

So you gotta know the bootlickers are salivating, just dying to come out and lap em up. Reliable as the sunrise from the orient.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Examples please?


Derek Chauvin violated department policy. He would not fall under qualified immunity.

Baxter vs Bracey is a recent and very public example. Corbitt vs. Vickers is another recent and arguable more egregious example.

Does this sound like accountability to you? https://www.cato.org/blog/eleventh-c...d-lying-ground

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Baxter vs Bracey is a recent and very public example. Corbitt vs. Vickers is another recent and arguable more egregious example.

Does this sound like accountability to you? https://www.cato.org/blog/eleventh-c...d-lying-ground

Sounds like an act of incompetence, a case where qualified immunity is not supposed to apply. I don't have time right now to read the decision, but without hearing the other side it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. With civil law, you can certainly find exceptional examples of defenses that are inappropriately used. Doesn't mean abolish the whole system though, even if certain tweaks and reforms are needed from time to time.

[bigfatdude]

Well, if you can figure out a way to go after a tiny minority of KKK apes with badges without letting Crump&Co have a field day making cops simply doing their job homeless then be my guest. But in these days of cancel culture and heartstring-tugging, outrage-inducing, rioting mob-gathering videos from all angles showing a cop slamming a perp to the ground with everything prior to that being conveniently edited out you can't really have one without the other.

Oh, and let's not forget the propagandized and intimidated jury part, where one is expected to be fully canceled, quite possibly physically, if their vote based on facts and evidence goes against the wishes of the rioting lynch mob.

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

The problem is qualified immunity in its current form has provided shielding for the bad actors, which ... as the public now knows ... are rarely held accountable. We’ve seen numerous examples of police blatantly violating laws/constitutional rights and thanks to a generous interpretation of qualified immunity they often get away with it.

I won’t pretend to know how to fix this issue, but one thing is certain ... there’s an appetite for a shift away from the current status quo. Is there a ton of hyperbole? Misleading coverage? Yes and it’s entirely unhelpful. This said, lower courts and even the SJC (Thomas) have begun to pushback on the scope of qualified immunity. Good.

[bigfatdude]

Aren't you late for your service, minister? It's the yakub part today, your favorite!

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Police taking Ls

So you gotta know the bootlickers are salivating, just dying to come out and lap em up. Reliable as the sunrise from the orient.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Sounds like an act of incompetence, a case where qualified immunity is not supposed to apply.

This is the critique. If courts refuse to address these cases the likes of the ACLU and 'twitter-intellectuals' will continue to claim qualified immunity effectively provides police with impunity ... and I don't believe they are a wrong in doing so.

The less informed public merely sees smoke and this undermines policing efforts. My upper middle class white ass is calling the police as an absolute last resort and this was certainly not the case for my demographic 30 years prior. Granted, much of my opinion is based on law violations witnessed with my own eyes, and not the social media fueled ACAB hype trains ... it's not 'fun' having an officer point a loaded weapon at your chest while his peers violate a family member’s constitutional right, nor is it 'fun' having an officer file a fraudulent police report to aid his extortion effort, nor is it 'fun' to have the 'bootlickers' spam your home voicemail after the Boston Globe publishes an editorial about the incident in their Sunday issue.

I'm not ACAB, but I sure as hell don't trust the system even if I trust and admire some of the individual actors within it.

[id77]

Originally Posted by massnative71

OK Maxine Waters.



But since you obviously know zero about policing, I'm gonna give you a little 101 intro class. The first part might be a little mind blowing for you, that is...SOMETIMES POLICE HAVE TO ARREST BAD GUYS.

Yeah. They do. And any decent officer can do it without requiring qualified immunity.

[bigfatdude]

Officer tries to arrest the perp, perp resist, officer struggles with the perp and slams him to the ground, 100 cell phone videos of the slamming part with everything prior conveniently left out rile up the acab lynch mob, Crump&Co shows up and sues the officer. Decent officers often need to use force when dealing with indecent criminals violently resisting arrest, qualified immunity protects them from having Crump&Co suing them into oblivion.

Originally Posted by id77

Yeah. They do. And any decent officer can do it without requiring qualified immunity.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

This is the critique. If courts refuse to address these cases the likes of the ACLU and 'twitter-intellectuals' will continue to claim qualified immunity effectively provides police with impunity ... and I don't believe they are a wrong in doing so.

The less informed public merely sees smoke and this undermines policing efforts. My upper middle class white ass is calling the police as an absolute last resort and this was certainly not the case for my demographic 30 years prior. Granted, much of my opinion is based on law violations witnessed with my own eyes, and not the social media fueled ACAB hype trains ... it's not 'fun' having an officer point a loaded weapon at your chest while his peers violate a family member’s constitutional right, nor is it 'fun' having an officer file a fraudulent police report to aid his extortion effort, nor is it 'fun' to have the 'bootlickers' spam your home voicemail after the Boston Globe publishes an editorial about the incident in their Sunday issue.

I'm not ACAB, but I sure as hell don't trust the system even if I trust and admire some of the individual actors within it.

A cop gunned down an unarmed physician's kid in front of my house a couple of years ago. The kid had been a Northeastern engineering student and summer yacht club launch driver before drugs & mental health issues pushed him off the rails. The cop had a CV typical of the cops in my town. C- High School student. A couple years in the military. Criminal Justice Associates at the local community college. Civil Service jumped him to the top of the queue. Not the qualifications I'd want for someone armed a couple hundred feet from my house.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

If cops require qualified immunity to do their job, they suck at doing their job. If they quit because they don't have qualified immunity anymore, they've tipped their hand that the job wasn't about serving so much as kicking ass and feeling like a Neanderthal tough guy.

Emergency room nurses and doctors deal with many of the same violent actors, and they do it without shooting, tazing, or macing people. They don't complain like children when they can't rough up a kid because he 'looked' mean, and they don't have an overly-powerful union sweeping in to strong-arm hospitals into keeping bad apples on the payroll, even after having been found guilty of misconduct. I don't see them flying silly flags or trying to make other causes' plights about them by saying inane crap like "medical lives matter."

I do love the 3rd grade level thinking of take-our-ball-and-go-home as if the only thing keeping this country on the rails is the BAMF police officers that we should all be thanking daily for saving us. I love how it assumes the police today are doing anything about people who have their phones or jackets stolen (hint: they don't), and that the police keeping criminals fearful (hint: they aren't). What might happen, though, is that a black man can finally drive a BMW or Mercedes without getting pulled over weekly by white trash cops who just assume it must be stolen or that black men don't belong in such cars.

There actually have been cases of drs shooting patients. And by the time the criminal patient is in the hospital they're shackled!!! Try again.

I think the last time I heard of a black man getting pulled over because he was driving a nice car it was the 90s. If it happens now in Boston its likely because the person does have warrants or is doing something wrong. Same for anyone of any color.

And funny how this has become about race and here you are calling cops white trash.

Not saying anyone deserves to die at the hands of police but don't compare cops to nurses. It's completely different. And when things do happen at hospitals security comes in.