"California Bullet Train Project Advances Amid Cries of Boondoggle" (San Francisco: rent, homes)

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

But they voted for 7 Billion not 99 Billion.

No, they didn't vote for $7B. They voted on a $9B bond to start a project that was forecast to somewhere in the ballpark of $40-45B (I think $41B was the target price).

You could do yourself a lot of favors when it comes to the credibility of your posts if you would at least take the time to look up things when you make a post rather than propagating disinformation.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

No, they didn't vote for $7B. They voted on a $9B bond to start a project that was forecast to somewhere in the ballpark of $40-45B (I think $41B was the target price).

You could do yourself a lot of favors when it comes to the credibility of your posts if you would at least take the time to look up things when you make a post rather than propagating disinformation.

I was going from memory. The point is that the "estimate" now is twice the figures posted above and no one voted for that. You would do well to be less arrogant and try to actually understand the point of a post.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

No, they didn't vote for $7B. They voted on a $9B bond to start a project that was forecast to somewhere in the ballpark of $40-45B (I think $41B was the target price).

You could do yourself a lot of favors when it comes to the credibility of your posts if you would at least take the time to look up things when you make a post rather than propagating disinformation.

Who cares?

Is the Moonbeam Train on budget? No.

Is it going to be on schedule? No.

Is it ever going to be profitable or break even? No.

Do the majority of Californians care that someone in Madera can take a bullet train to Fresno? No.

Are you seriously trying to defend this useless democrat pork project?

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Who cares?

Is the Moonbeam Train on budget? No.

Is it going to be on schedule? No.

Is it ever going to be profitable or break even? No.

Do the majority of Californians care that someone in Madera can take a bullet train to Fresno? No.

Are you seriously trying to defend this useless democrat pork project?

Yes, I am for HSR. Many of the anti-HSR posters are posting simply because they don't agree with HSR. As for being over budget, this isn't a HSR problem. This is a problem we have with building just about anything in this country. Projects are consistently over-budget and behind schedule. Why? The reasons are numerous. One is that contractors are awarded bids and find out they can't afford to complete projects within their allocated budget. The other is there are always distractors for anything that is going to be done in this country. A few of them have valid points. Most of the time their position is based on ideology. It doesn't matter if the idea is good or not. They have some ideology rooted in baseless principles and many times they are willing to do whatever it takes to make something look bad. That includes baseless lawsuits to slow down a project. They would even be willing to outspend the construction costs of a project at the expense of the taxpayers for nothing more than their principles.

Specific to this project, land acquisition has been a problem. This is the same thing that happened when the interstates were being built out. Many people back then considered construction of interstates to be a "boondoggle." There have also been unforeseen expenses. Utilities weren't mapped out very well in the past. The end result is construction crews have been finding utilities while working on the project in Fresno. Those utilities have to be moved. That takes time. Unfortunately, those delays also increase costs.


http://www.hsr.ca.gov/docs/brdmeetin...sts_011618.pdf

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by expatCA

I was going from memory. The point is that the "estimate" now is twice the figures posted above and no one voted for that. You would do well to be less arrogant and try to actually understand the point of a post.

No arrogance on my part. You're the one who consistently quotes statistics that are incorrect in an effort to make anything you disagree with look bad. As for your memory, if it isn't good you should have looked up the statistics. You also aren't very good at math. The current total (according to the LA Times) is $77.3B. That figure divided by two does not equal two times the amount of $7B (or $9B). With that gross error in mind, I'm convinced the point of your post was to make HSR look bad, and convince others that HSR is bad.

There's nothing wrong with HSR. There is certainly something wrong with the cost overruns. However, people with a mindset that HSR is bad have also added to some of those cost increases.

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...309-story.html

[slowlane3]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

Currently a one way ticket on Amtrak goes for about $ 33, from Los Angeles to San Francisco.

Are you sure, only $ 33 ? That sounds very cheap for such a distance. Is that a misprint ?.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I can imagine it, I just can't imagine it making any money.

Not directly, though it may bring much needed tax revenue to the central valley as more people move there.

[cyberfx1024]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Are you sure, only $ 33 ? That sounds very cheap for such a distance. Is that a misprint ?.

I just looked because I was interested and the tickets are for $59 a piece was the cheapest.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

No arrogance on my part. You're the one who consistently quotes statistics that are incorrect in an effort to make anything you disagree with look bad. As for your memory, if it isn't good you should have looked up the statistics. You also aren't very good at math. The current total (according to the LA Times) is $77.3B. That figure divided by two does not equal two times the amount of $7B (or $9B). With that gross error in mind, I'm convinced the point of your post was to make HSR look bad, and convince others that HSR is bad.

There's nothing wrong with HSR. There is certainly something wrong with the cost overruns. However, people with a mindset that HSR is bad have also added to some of those cost increases.

Cost for California bullet train system rises to $77.3 billion

You have exposed yourself again.


The price of the California bullet train project jumped sharply Friday when the state rail authority announced that the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would be $77.3 billion and could rise as high as $98.1 billion — an uptick of at least $13 billion from estimates two years ago.

Cost for California bullet train system rises to $77.3 billion

New cost estimates on high-speed rail should make all of us sick

The latest news from the High Speed Rail Authority that the estimated costs have now increased 20 percent to 35 percent more than projected in 2016 should make all of us sick.
The project as presented to voters under Proposition 1A in 2008 envisioned a total cost of $30 billion to $40 billion. It is now up to $77.3 billion and may end up as high as $98 billion.
It does not represent what voters narrowly approved in 2008 and must be terminated.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/21/letter-new-cost-estimates-on-high-speed-rail-should-make-all-of-us-sick/

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by cyberfx1024

I just looked because I was interested and the tickets are for $59 a piece was the cheapest.

No price can be accurate as the cost runs and extended build time put it wayyy off in the future.