Californians are fleeing the state in droves.....273,833 people lost since 2010 (San Francisco: low income, income)

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by Wilson502

Exactly, and it causes a strain on CA's financial resources and social services. The state WILL go bankrupt if current trends continue. If people paying into those systems continue leaving and leaving nothing but people who draw from the system, it cannot support itself. Shouldn't CA be focused on luring taxpayers in instead of pushing them out like they have been doing?

Shouldn't these places from whence these folks came be taking care of their own instead of putting them on the one-way bus to CA? (The latest getting caught for this stuff, this year, being Hawaii and Nevada)

[Wilson502]

Why should states provide limitless welfare for lazy people who do not want to work or have a ton of children with no means to pay for them? Had to burst your little naive bubble, but its not sustainable for CA to continue being the "welfare state" something's gotta give eventually. Those "other states" likely have limits to welfare so they dont go bankrupt themselves.

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

In the nonprofit business, we are made quite aware of the people who come here from elsewhere specifically because they can get help here, as opposed to where they came from. The other 49 make up a great deal of that migration of the needy, and many do their part in nudging them our way (So nobody has to pay state income tax! Isn't that nice?). People who need public assistance don't just come from across the sea or over the border.

If you are depicting it as it actually is, then it lends credence to the principle that you get less of what you tax and more of what you subsidize. I don't know how accurate your depiction is though. Only 9 states have no income tax. Of those Washington is the most unique in that it is also a liberal state. There are no busses transporting the poor and homeless to CA. HI and NV sending some people couldn't have made even a minuscule dent.

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

There are no busses transporting the poor and homeless to CA.

Ya, I thought that didnt sound right either, I was stating hypothetically speaking.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

There are no busses transporting the poor and homeless to CA.

Oh no? They're getting here somehow. The folks on the Haight and in GGP will surely tell you it was by bus. I would query wobbly folks in the 'Loin, but they're just too friggin' crazy.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Oh no? They're getting here somehow. The folks on the Haight and in GGP will surely tell you it was by bus. I would query wobbly folks in the 'Loin, but they're just too friggin' crazy.

Some people I tell ya

The City of San Francisco has filed a lawsuit against Nevada for discharging psychiatric hospital patients too early and busing them out of state in a practice that's become known as "patient dumping."

The lawsuit claims these patients needed further care at the time they were relocated, and went on to cost San Francisco taxpayers $500,000.

San Francisco Sues Nevada Over 'Patient Dumping' - ABC News

[tijlover]

Now if only the notorious Nimby's in California would leave!!!

Wouldn't that create a mega construction boom!!!

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by tijlover

Now if only the notorious Nimby's in California would leave!!!

Wouldn't that create a mega construction boom!!!

Great. Where are you going to put all these people, and how many habitats shall be destroyed in the process?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Wilson502

The state has 1/3rd of the entire US welfare recipients

This is statistically impossible.

According to the Census Bureau's 2012 estimates, the biggest 'program' is public health and of the 96 million Americans who recieve health care from the govt, 11 million live in CA.

11 million is not a third of 96 million.

As far as cash public assistance, the Census Bureau says out of 3.3 million Americans who recieve such aid, 500,000 live in CA.

The percentages are roughly the same for SSI and food stamps.

So it seems that your point is largely inaccurate.

(but only about 12-13% of population), thats where your money goes, and funding the huge bureaucracy of the state.

I can dig this but its generally unrelated to welfare and actually caring for those who need it.

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Oh no? They're getting here somehow. The folks on the Haight and in GGP will surely tell you it was by bus. I would query wobbly folks in the 'Loin, but they're just too friggin' crazy.

Because they were tied up, put on a bus and forcibly shipped out? This is a red herring. By that I mean that whatever the financial costs of this it can't possibly amount to anything that would be considered substantial budget wise. If I were homeless in TN I'd do my best to make it to CA. Bus is probably cheapest so that is what I would try. I'd come to CA for the good weather, rich tourists to panhandle, and assistance. The article that Gentoo posted mentions 500 people. Could 500 people make a dent in CA? Again, you get less of what you tax and more of what you subsidize. Right wrong or indifferent, this is just how humans work.

And how can you not fathom a place that is pretty darned expensive to live might have a lot of homeless? Does that take a leap of faith?