Donald Trump's strongest support in California (cost, law, legal)

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

We are still in the primary season so we have a LONG way to go. This isn't a majority of the American populace putting Trump as the frontrunner. This is just a large faction of the Republican base that has him in the lead for the Republican nomiation. Let's see if he gets the nomination to even run for president first before saying America is radical

While I agree with you, look who the GOP has as second right now. It's Ted Cruz who is another extremist even by GOP standards. His record as polarizer in congress is second to none. I honestly don't think we'll be much better off if either becomes the nominee. Of course, the GOP may lose entirely. Yet I wouldn't be so quick to count them just yet. If you consider political history for a moment, especially US history, you'll notice that voting trends swing from left to right in a fairly predictable pattern. If the larger population is unhappy or fearful about something (which is almost always the case), they tend to blame the current president and his party. There is always something which fear mongers can latch on to like ISIS, illegals, loss of factory jobs or guns. Once properly riled up, they start believing the lie that someone like Donald is going to 'Kick some @ss' and fix everything having to do with ISIS. Just ask Sarah Palin:

Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump: translating her reference-packed speech | US news | The Guardian

Derek

[blueskywalker]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

We are still in the primary season so we have a LONG way to go. This isn't a majority of the American populace putting Trump as the frontrunner. This is just a large faction of the Republican base that has him in the lead for the Republican nomiation. Let's see if he gets the nomination to even run for president first before saying America is radical

Radical ... let's use that word correctly ... get to the "root" of the word.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/radical

There's been very little radicalism since the 1960's and early 70's. By the time the '80's arrived it was over. There have been just a few very visible (many behind the scenes) true radicals on the U.S. stage since then and anyone who "speaks truth against power" is swiftly marginalized by the corporate media machine that can easily manipulate a fear based and brainwashed and weak and depressed, discouraged and cynical populace.

If you (or anyone for that matter), as a European want to really know what's going on here (and what's been going on) then read and/or listen to Howard Zinn ... and / or Noam Chomsky. True brilliant radicals. Those are just two. But start there.

https://secure.pmpress.org/index.php...t_detail&p=275

[SkyDenizen]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I'm intrigued. Trump and Sanders lumped together again. Let's take this apart a bit.

Trump:
Racial /religious bigot
Jingoist protectionist advocating walling off America
Sexist to an extreme
Opportunstically insulting as convenience offers (disabled, POW'S, other politicians, etc.)
Multi-billionaire and confessed political manipulator with his money
Sociopathc narcissist meglomaniac
Sells his personal brand without any governing policy details or even coherence, using mostly 4th grade level monosyllabic words in simple sentences focused on stimulating fear and danger.

Sanders:
- Lifelong civil rights activist
- Anti-war activist
- Advocate for Universal healthcare for all in the world's only advanced nation without such system, where healthcare costs are the onn highest by far with lowest outcomes among all advanced nations.
- Anti-big money influence in politics and the only candidate running on individual voter contributions and without SuperPac support.
- Policy focus on curbing Wall St. type financial excess and on reviving the economic balance of wealth distribution required to sustain the middle-class and capitalism
- Advocate for free advanced education for any qualified persons desiring to go to college
Proposing an optimistic governing platform using thoughtful multi-syllabic language at an average 10th grade level.

Read the above while humming the Sesame Street tune of: "One of these is not like the other."

We know the Sanders/socialists type of guys here in France, one of them (Hollande) is our President who famously said "Finance is my enemy" "I hate rich people" and created a tax at 75% on revenues beyond €1 million.
As a result he destroyed the economy and we never had more unemployed people, it's even worse than in the US in 2009!
So yes your Bernie is dangerous because he has no clues about how an economy works and he's a liar given these measures will never go through Congress and he knows it perfectly. And with such a debt the country can't afford it anymore.

[SkyDenizen]

Originally Posted by blueskywalker

I'm very curious. As someone from Europe, what is your perception of Bernie Sanders and why does he, like Trump, make your heart ache? Is it because you're financially conservative? What do you think Bernie Sanders will do re; the economy that will be harmful to the vast majority of Americans?
And why were you o.k. with Bush? His presidency is largely responsible for what you are dealing with in Europe now.

And how can the U.S. be socially liberal and financially conservative? What does that look like to you? People say that here too ... that they're socially liberal and financially conservative.
It takes $$$ to support all kinds of social services and infrastructure right? What should money be spent on? The military industrial complex?! Bailing out Wall Street? etc.

I'm in no way (not even close) an expert on politics and social issues, the economy, etc.. but i don't understand how someone can be both. An administration either cares deeply about the social issues and is willing to spend the money necessary or it's a capitalistic free for all (how's that working out for most?!), food chain, dog eat dog, competitive rat-race.

That's probably simplistic and naive to say but what's money good for if not to help all to live a decent life?
To accumulate more and more and more? And why do people want to accumulate? Well, 'cause once you get "it" (whatever "it" is) you realize at some point that "it" doesn't fulfill so you accumulate more and on and on and on. Now that's insane. The over-the-top consumerism is, imo, one of the most insane aspects in this country and it's a disease that has been spreading around the world. It's destructive. Ridiculous. Nuts. More and more and for what?

Good housing, good food, good health care, good education (for those who want it), clean air and water ... those are some essential things for a decent life. Some time for fun/play, art, music, etc.. are very important too. But all of this disposable junk that will never fulfill?

I don't think Capitalism has to look like that but there would need to be a collective change in consciousness for people to STOP CONSUMING in this way! We're destroying the planet and each other.
Off on a tangent i realize.

You're a dreamer, as I said we experienced people like Sanders here in Europe, and in the real world that never ends well.

[blueskywalker]

Originally Posted by SkyDenizen

You're a dreamer, as I said we experienced people like Sanders here in Europe, and in the real world that never ends well.

Where do you think the human race would be without dreamers and visionaries? (yes, i realize there's a contradiction in that statement but it doesn't make it untrue)
Dreamers and visionaries will save the planet and the all who live in it and on it.
No one else will. Truly.
And you didn't answer my questions either because you don't want to (fine) or you don't have much of a clue about what's going on here ... just an outline ... not good enough.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SkyDenizen

We know the Sanders/socialists type of guys here in France, one of them (Hollande) is our President who famously said "Finance is my enemy" "I hate rich people" and created a tax at 75% on revenues beyond €1 million.
As a result he destroyed the economy and we never had more unemployed people, it's even worse than in the US in 2009!
So yes your Bernie is dangerous because he has no clues about how an economy works and he's a liar given these measures will never go through Congress and he knows it perfectly. And with such a debt the country can't afford it anymore.

Lmao.
- Sanders never said he hates the rich. He says what even most conservative economists say: too much concentration of wealth is destructive for everyone, for the entire system.

- Sanders hasn't proposed any such 75% tax rate. His highest is 52% for those making over $10 million annually.

- the economic collapse and worst unemployment here occurred out of a conservative administration and recovered under a liberal.

- Debt burden is a function of relative earnings.

And, finally, you didn't respond at all to the nature of comparative differences I drew between Sanders and Trump. If a voter here doesn't like Sanders's platform they can pick another without me attacking their philosophy - UNLESS they pick a total lunatic sociopathic, narcissistic bald-faced carnival barking liar as their alternate.

I am not a Democrat. I have no political ideology. I am not an ideologue. I consider ideologies poor excuses for intellectual laziness.

I haven't decided to support Sanders myself.

Originally Posted by blueskywalker

And you didn't answer my questions either because you don't want to (fine) or you don't have much of a clue about what's going on here ... just an outline ... not good enough.

Right, Skydenizen didn't answer and appears to lack full information.

[blueskywalker]

"I consider ideologies poor excuses for intellectual laziness."

That's good.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SkyDenizen

So yes your Bernie is dangerous ... and he's a liar given these measures will never go through Congress and he knows it perfectly.

Forgot to add re: Bernie the Liar. Of all negative things Bernie is not, "Liar" tops the list. Whatever others in American politics might think /say about Bernie, bet you couldn't find a single one who'd call him a liar. He is famous for saying exactly what he believes, and believing what he says. He has the respect of virtually all on both sides of the aisle, even as he frustrates them.

[NewToCA]

The Palin endorsement for Trump seems to be having a very positive effect ahead of the Iowa caucus. If Trump has decent momentum coming into the later primaries, like California, I think this will prove to have been significant in gaining him the nomination:

Trump's gained a lot, across the board, while most of his competitors have slipped. Cruz is still over-performing with conservatives and tea partiers (meaning that his support among those groups is 11 and seven points higher than his overall support), but Trump gained 11 and 17 points with those groups over the past two weeks. Cruz's support among the groups fell.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-in-two-weeks/

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

The Palin endorsement for Trump seems to be having a very positive effect ahead of the Iowa caucus. If Trump has decent momentum coming into the later primaries, like California, I think this will prove to have been significant in gaining him the nomination:

Trump's gained a lot, across the board, while most of his competitors have slipped. Cruz is still over-performing with conservatives and tea partiers (meaning that his support among those groups is 11 and seven points higher than his overall support), but Trump gained 11 and 17 points with those groups over the past two weeks. Cruz's support among the groups fell.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-in-two-weeks/

Talk about picking the best of two evils! I know quite a few strongly conservative folks who are truly perplexed by these guys. They see no option since they would never vote for a democrat. Michael Bloomberg 'might' give us another option if he decides to run as an independent.

Bloomberg wants to save everyone from Trump. But a lot of people don

Derek