Newsom eradicating sales of new gas powered cars by 2035 (appointed, pricing)

[Need4Camaro]

I personally feel many automakers are going to make a giant shift toward electric anyway during the upcoming vehicular generations with or without government order.

[msgsing]

I’ll be dead by then. Who cares.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I personally feel many automakers are going to make a giant shift toward electric anyway during the upcoming vehicular generations with or without government order.

Not likely that to happen. For that few things would need to happen which i am not seeing actually happening. The biggest issue is charging, charging, charging. For consumers to adopt electrical vehicle charging needs to be as uneventful as it's today. Right now if someone using Tesla Suprecharger to get from almost 0-80% takes around 45 min to 1 hour. Yes i know people can charge at home but you need to consider everyone that can't such as those that live in apartment complex without garage etc. Also battery need to be designed so they are not losing battery charge when car is sitting unused. I believe with Tesla it's between 2-5%. I am not seeing that really changing anytime soon. Lastly distance, distance, distance, public still have distance scare on what happens if they go somewhere and there is no charging station.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by looker009

Not likely that to happen. For that few things would need to happen which i am not seeing actually happening. The biggest issue is charging, charging, charging. For consumers to adopt electrical vehicle charging needs to be as uneventful as it's today. Right now if someone using Tesla Suprecharger to get from almost 0-80% takes around 45 min to 1 hour. Yes i know people can charge at home but you need to consider everyone that can't such as those that live in apartment complex without garage etc. Also battery need to be designed so they are not losing battery charge when car is sitting unused. I believe with Tesla it's between 2-5%. I am not seeing that really changing anytime soon. Lastly distance, distance, distance, public still have distance scare on what happens if they go somewhere and there is no charging station.

Hmmm wonder if Newsom knows all that. Naaaa

[NewbieHere]

Abuse of power. Impeach the badtard.

[artillery77]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Why, so you can move somewhere with unrelenting capitalism, where environmental concerns are overlooked? This is like the real life Lorax.

Except, for all the bluster, it's just not true that we're the greenest state. I'd ask why you can't see it, but I imagine the smoke is a bit too thick.

Guess who has the highest % of electricity from renewable sources? Iowa
Guess who produces the highest amount of renewable power per capita? North Dakota

The socialists are slowing things down while crying that they're leading the fight. Others are doing it as well...even doing it better...but they don't have a patronage army highlighting it.

California came to a leadership role when it was a purple state. It's stayed powerful DESPITE the far left...so far. Our biggest utility is bankrupt. Our biggest insurer is leaving after being here over 100 years. Putting employment and housing in the same socialist wing....passing laws that make employers guilty until proven innocent...

We need to eradicate Newsom...and then we'll get things done faster.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by artillery77

Except, for all the bluster, it's just not true that we're the greenest state. I'd ask why you can't see it, but I imagine the smoke is a bit too thick.

Guess who has the highest % of electricity from renewable sources? Iowa
Guess who produces the highest amount of renewable power per capita? North Dakota

The socialists are slowing things down while crying that they're leading the fight. Others are doing it as well...even doing it better...but they don't have a patronage army highlighting it.

California came to a leadership role when it was a purple state. It's stayed powerful DESPITE the far left...so far. Our biggest utility is bankrupt. Our biggest insurer is leaving after being here over 100 years. Putting employment and housing in the same socialist wing....passing laws that make employers guilty until proven innocent...

We need to eradicate Newsom...and then we'll get things done faster.

What insurer is leaving? I agree with everything you said

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

Gavin Newsom signs order banning sales of gas-powered cars in California by 2035
BY LARA KORTE
SEPTEMBER 23, 2020 10:32 AM , UPDATED 5 MINUTES AGO

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday issued an executive order requiring the sale of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035, a move the governor says would achieve a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, improve air quality, and move the state further away from relying on climate change-causing fossil fuels.

I just listened to a guy talking about that very thing, mgforshort. It's going to happen. I mean eventually we'll get away from combustible engine vehicles but it's going to take years. In the meantime, GM, Ford, all the other automakers will continue to make gas powered cars but they'll definitely be ramping up their production of electric vehicles. Except they'll need to produce a million cars a year and that's just not even close to where we're at ... yet. We'll need battery manufacturers, battery swapping and charging stations, too. It excites me to watch all the advances in technology we'll have in the next 25 years but I probably won't be here to see it. Until then, I'll keep driving my dinosaur because it still runs great and it's approaching the status of being an antique. Surprisingly, occasionally I get an offer from a stranger asking if I want to sell it. No way, Jose! The old "gal" and I have done a lot of adventures together and I'll keep driving it until she either stops running or I do.

As for the governor, looking to the future is nice and everything but I sure hope he fixes the problems happening with the DMV and EDD soon. Those are in need of a complete overhaul before anything else.

[citizensadvocate]

Originally Posted by Veritas Vincit

New technologies are supposed to take over because they're better not because a politician bans all the alternatives. Nobody had to ban VHS, nobody had to ban the fax machine, nobody had to ban gramophones. They were replaced because the new technology made sense and provided a net benefit.


This type of stuff is just social engineering via bullying tactics. Personally I am not married to the idea of a combustion engine vehicle, I've never been a car nut. If electric vehicles are the better deal then I'll get one. This is basically Newsom saying that he doesn't think electric cars will be better across the board by 2035 which would be a pretty sad indictment of Mr Elon Musk's business.



I do think there's a certain irony in a state with a notoriously crappy utility system telling folks to rely on charging their cars using the same electricity grid that's infamous across the country for its brown outs & black outs.

Totally true.

The state should make it a goal to beef up its infrastructure on both electrical grid(We have so many miles of wires that are disaster waiting to happen, not to mention power supply shortages due to lack of power storage for solar energy after suns go down) and alternative fueled vehicles in preparation of having more than 70% of vehicles being in the category by 2040 rather than banning vehicles sales. Since more and more vehicles both foreign made and domestic such sold in dealerships might bring a strain in resources in CA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-..._fuel_vehicles

I be curious when our infrastructure would be able to support hover cars powered by plutonium.

[mcp86]

Adding some points on EV's. Tesla is not the only one in EV market. Soon you will see ford mustang EV, Lucid motors, Fisker and many others. There's also battery startup funded by Bill Gates called QuantumScape. There will be some frauds like Nikola but overall EV tech looks good. In fact Audi supported Newsom's 2035 tweet in twitter. The range is increasing every year. Next year Tesla Plaid is getting into market and is claimed to have 500 miles. Whether people believe/ understand or not, battery tech is advancing at a rapid pace. 1/3 of Tesla car price is due to battery cost. Current battery price is $156 KWH. If it can achieve $100 KWH then they can price car in $25k range which is very much achievable.

The battery and EV becoming affordable will happen for sure. There's no doubt about it. Only problem is execution of govt. to build the infrastructure which we can only wait and see. No one has an answer yet whether you support or oppose Newsom. Remember this's 15 yr plan and for charging all current gas stations will have charge outlet if planned well. Nuclear energy can be used for electricity generation. Someone complained about China, India having more carbon emission. As a matter of fact USA, Australia have extreme emission per capita statistics. China and India are behind.

Another important thing is having EV's cannot change everything green. In fact ironically producing EV has more carbon emission than producing ICE vehicle and also if coal is used to create electricity it will create more emission but on the long run EV's overcome the short falls. Even the short falls will be removed as cobalt is replaced by nickel in battery to huge % and battery is made recyclable as promised on battery day and also renewable energy replaces coal