Exodus of California, does it concern you? (Los Angeles, San Diego: home, private school)

[Grune D]

Originally Posted by Ultrarunner

Parts of Oakland remind me of Detroit from my last visit...

When did you visit Oakland last?
It has been cleaned off.

[apple92680]

Let's talk about this, shall we:

Here's my so-called "******** town"

---PALMDALE, CALIFORNIA---

(Per 1,000 residents)

Total crime: 18.1

Here's yours:

---MARIETTA, GEORGIA---

(Per 1,000 residents)

Total crime: 36.16

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[sithlord72]

Doesn’t make a difference. The people fleeing California are just gonna move to low tax, gun loving states and then vote Democrat anyway..

[apple92680]

Originally Posted by sithlord72

Doesn’t make a difference. The people fleeing California are just gonna move to low tax, gun loving states and then vote Democrat anyway..

That's not what I've noticed.

Most white Californians who leave are conservative -- by California standards! ...which is a very different thing than being conservative in Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma or Texas.

When they go to their destination red states, they see what REAL conservatism actually is and it shocks them. Suddenly, they find themselves working in jobs with extremely low wages and if they complain, they're told to basically shut up and deal with it. They hear -- for the first time in years -- someone use the term "Mexicans" disparagingly. They realize that getting ahead means joining a certain church and thumping the Bible, they get reminders about "abortion" and "the gays" -- things most haven't heard in California since the 1990s.

I'd imagine that this is even more amplified now given how the QAnon wing has taken over a lot of the state and local Republican Party apparatus in these places.

[JGC97]

I love the comments from those who say Good. Let 'em leave. More room for the rest of us. I hope they realize that for every vacant apartment and home, people will fill them up so you really haven't lost any population. It's just trading in one group of people for another and you may not like the new group. It's like when you can't wait to see the worst neighbor on your block move and when they do you're relieved and excited. You can't wait for the new one and that one turns out to be worse than the last.

[MechAndy]

I have over 50 years in California.
I originally came here from Germany.

I see people leaving for several reasons.

Most are for better quality of life.
Then there are the political reasons.
To be honest the political people are a low percent and I know a few.
And then there are a few oddballs like me that want better weather and more nature.

Next week we will lose our best friends kid and her new husband to Texas.
They are in their early 30’s.
They make about 300K in combined income.
Texas just has more to offer them.

California is really hard to get a decent upper middle class life style in desirable areas if you are not rich.
You should not have to be rich to do this.

A wife that is on the top tier of nursing and a husband that has a business degree should do it but it doesn’t.

It is becoming a 2 tiered system.
The haves and the have nots.

If you are in a desirable area you have to be extremely high paid or have owned it for a long time or you will be in a service job while renting and counting your pennies.

Not where you would want to be.
I am a long time owner so I got mine.

I am out because I want better weather and nature.
I will still keep my nice California house though because of prop 13 and I would never be able to move back if I needed to.

I also agree with aslowdodge that the lesser areas are no better than other states.
It’s just the California name at best.

[turf3]

Yes, I'm concerned, because they're pouring into my hometown with their equity from selling their horrible shacks in California and getting into bidding wars and paying way over market for houses so the rest of us can't afford to move, and our property taxes are going through the roof!

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by apple92680

That's not what I've noticed.

Most white Californians who leave are conservative -- by California standards! ...which is a very different thing than being conservative in Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma or Texas.

When they go to their destination red states, they see what REAL conservatism actually is and it shocks them. Suddenly, they find themselves working in jobs with extremely low wages and if they complain, they're told to basically shut up and deal with it. They hear -- for the first time in years -- someone use the term "Mexicans" disparagingly. They realize that getting ahead means joining a certain church and thumping the Bible, they get reminders about "abortion" and "the gays" -- things most haven't heard in California since the 1990s.

I'd imagine that this is even more amplified now given how the QAnon wing has taken over a lot of the state and local Republican Party apparatus in these places.

Great post +1

[novaman]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

I have over 50 years in California.
I originally came here from Germany.

I see people leaving for several reasons.

Most are for better quality of life.
Then there are the political reasons.
To be honest the political people are a low percent and I know a few.
And then there are a few oddballs like me that want better weather and more nature.

Next week we will lose our best friends kid and her new husband to Texas.
They are in their early 30’s.
They make about 300K in combined income.
Texas just has more to offer them.

California is really hard to get a decent upper middle class life style in desirable areas if you are not rich.
You should not have to be rich to do this.

A wife that is on the top tier of nursing and a husband that has a business degree should do it but it doesn’t.

It is becoming a 2 tiered system.
The haves and the have nots.

If you are in a desirable area you have to be extremely high paid or have owned it for a long time or you will be in a service job while renting and counting your pennies.

Not where you would want to be.
I am a long time owner so I got mine.

I am out because I want better weather and nature.
I will still keep my nice California house though because of prop 13 and I would never be able to move back if I needed to.

I also agree with aslowdodge that the lesser areas are no better than other states.
It’s just the California name at best.

Where is there better weather than the coast of California?

[MechAndy]

We have a nice spot on the water in the PNW.
Our spot is in a banana belt and has less rain than our Danville house by 3-4 inches per year.
Hardly ever gets freezing and rarely gets over the low 80’s.
The weather is nicer than Danville in my opinion.

Nature wise there is no comparison.