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So if you march on Wall Street they'll capitulate and stop whatever behavior you find unacceptable? Naivety.
The Observer reprinted an Op-Ed from the NY Times today that points out something interesting:
"... Take the Occupy Wall Street movement. If there is a core theme to the movement, it is that the virtuous 99 percent of society is being cheated by the richest and greediest 1 percent.
This is a theme that allows the people in the 99 percent to think very highly of themselves. All their problems are caused by the nefarious elite.
Unfortunately, almost no problem can be productively conceived in this way. A group that divides the world between the pure 99 percent and the evil 1 percent will have nothing to say about education reform, Medicare reform, tax reform, wage stagnation or polarization. They will have nothing to say about the way Americans have overconsumed and overborrowed. These are problems that implicate a much broader swath of society than the top 1 percent.
They will have no realistic proposal to reduce the debt or sustain the welfare state. Even if you tax away 50 percent of the income of those making between $1 million and $10 million, you only reduce the national debt by 1 percent, according to the Tax Foundation. If you confiscate all the income of those making more than $10 million, you reduce the debt by 2 percent.
The 99 versus 1 frame is also extremely self-limiting. If you think all problems flow from a small sliver of society, then all your solutions are going to be small, too. The policy proposals that have been floating around the Occupy Wall Street movement - a financial transfer tax, forgiveness for student loans - are marginal.
Read more: 'Occupy' and the milquetoast radicals | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/12/2684050/occupy-and-the-milquetoast-radicals.html#ixzz1aZeJpx58 - broken link) "
No, it won't stop everything...but it will send a message and I'm sure the politicians are watching closely because they know what is next. This is why they are trying to cosign the march.
I have no idea if everyone thinks highly of themselves because they are part of the 99%. That's psycho babble...
If the 99% are required to use personal responsibility when it comes to credit and using their house as an ATM so should those who are putting the country in jeopardy with bad business practices and socialized losses.
All problems don't flow from the top 1%.. but they have a nice grip on Washington with their lobbying tactics.
I think all most citizens who are frustrated with the economy is more responsibility across the board.
No, it won't stop everything...but it will send a message and I'm sure the politicians are watching closely because they know what is next. This is why they are trying to cosign the march.
I have no idea if everyone thinks highly of themselves because they are part of the 99%. That's psycho babble...
If the 99% are required to use personal responsibility when it comes to credit and using their house as an ATM so should those who are putting the country in jeopardy with bad business practices and socialized losses.
All problems don't flow from the top 1%.. but they have a nice grip on Washington with their lobbying tactics.
I think all most citizens who are frustrated with the economy is more responsibility across the board.
You're being naive if you think mobs marching in front of people's homes or businesses is going to change a darned thing. As a nation of laws you make change from there; anything else is mob rule.
You're being naive if you think mobs marching in front of people's homes or businesses is going to change a darned thing. As a nation of laws you make change from there; anything else is mob rule.
Yes, when you marched on political entities, not the private sector.
Add to that - when there was a clearly defined idea that was being protested, i.e., TAXATION.
The Stamp Act here in the USA was one of the straws that broke the camel's back - and the protests against it - both written and with the gathering of citizens who formed militia (Sons of Liberty) - led to those English colonies declaring their independence from the throne (and Parliament, of course).
It was a significant moment w/in a much bigger movement and the message was a political one, indeed, wh/ culminated w/ the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You cannot take that one act as very meaningful if it were not within the context of marches wh/ were widely attended (and covered by national media) and had a clearly defined message.
It was a significant moment w/in a much bigger movement and the message was a political one, indeed, wh/ culminated w/ the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You cannot take that one act as very meaningful if it were not within the context of marches wh/ were widely attended (and covered by national media) and had a clearly defined message.
And to boot, it was a very specific, narrow, and measurable desired outcome, not some nebulous set of ideals and hopes.
Also, on CNN today, Occupy Wall Street press team member Mark Bray admits that the protestors don't really have a cogent answer to the problems either:
"To tell everyone that we have the solution to their specific problems, that would be what the political parties are already doing," Bray says.
Exactly. So why march on Wall Street again when you say that the political parties should be solved the problem?
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And to boot, it was a very specific, narrow, and measurable desired outcome, not some nebulous set of ideals and hopes.
Also, on CNN today, Occupy Wall Street press team member Mark Bray admits that the protestors don't really have a cogent answer to the problems either:
"To tell everyone that we have the solution to their specific problems, that would be what the political parties are already doing," Bray says.
Exactly. So why march on Wall Street again when you say that the political parties should be solved the problem?
Why dont you organize your OWN march then? You could set it up the *right* way...
Or are you just content to waste your employers dollars with worthless castigation?
Do something, or let it go. I think we can all divine your position from your umpteen posts on this thread whining about the same thing.
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