Jackie Robinson West stripped of its national title (Chicago, Evergreen Park: 2014, attorney) - Illinois (IL) - Page 4 - City-Data Forum

linicx · 02-12-2015, 07:39 AM

Parent on CNN this morning said they had to provide their state ID, SS#, proof of residence through utility billies, etc., and their son's birth certificate. She went on to say that at no time before the first game or during any meeting with parents were they given written information about residency rules, nor was it discussed in meetings. She said the parents were blindsided by the ruling. She also mentioned the parents knew nothing about the investigation as they were not contacted by mail or personally.

Poor Jesse had less than two minutes to pontificate before he was cut off.

The kids played by the rules. The adults did not.

There is much reason to strip the adults from the JRWL and ban them for life from participating in any league sport featuring children ages 3-18. This group, as whole, needs sunshine on it and deeper investigation into the adults who perpetrated the fraud on the backs of the children.

Color ain't got nothing to do with this. Ten there to one -- there is deeper symptoms than just fudging boundary lines.

Just1Fan · 02-12-2015, 07:42 AM

They can have the trophy. To me, the kids at Chicago's Jackie Robinson West will always be champions. #keepyourheadup

linicx · 02-12-2015, 08:19 AM

AFAIK trophy and title went to the other team. Big shame.

MPowering1 · 02-12-2015, 08:23 AM

To those saying it was unfair to the kids to take the trophy away, how is letting them keep it fair to the kids who came in second and followed the rules?

MPowering1 · 02-12-2015, 08:33 AM

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I just dont like this thing about people giving others such a pass.. i dont get the mentality.. its like "oh he's a good boy, (when the kid just robbed someone).. i dont understand this giving people a pass.. Are the people like super forgiving? or just blind when they do that????

Even Brian Williams on TV, yesterday the journalists on NBC out of NY were commenting on Brian Williams getting suspended, and they were like awww poor Brian.. Well the guy lied!! its like he got sick or something,, he lied and got the consequences and now they're like aww poor Brian.

and please people, enough with this race card b.s. sometimes a person is judged or found guilty - BECAUSE THEY ARE GUILTY!!!

We've become a society where nobody wants to suffer any consequences for their behavior, and we make excuses for those we think shouldn't have to suffer consequences for theirs. This isn't new, it's been going on since the late '80's, early '90's. I could give you examples, but don't want to turn this thread into something else.

Attrill · 02-12-2015, 08:34 AM

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I'm not sure. Would the kids be actually be thinking about 'where' they are playing or league rules? I guess if they are travelling a distance to get to practice it may kick into their mind, but I'm thinking the rules about who can play on the team would be the coach/manager.

The kids could not have known that the boundaries of the team were invalid, because until yesterday both the regional LL director and Little League International were stating in no uncertain terms that the boundaries were valid.

So basically the kids and parents were shown a map by the coaches and asked if they qualified with those boundaries (and no one is claiming any kid didn't). If they didn't trust the coaches and had asked the regional director, he too would have confirmed those boundaries. If they were still concerned, and went to the Little League International, they also would have confirmed those boundaries. How could parents have known that the map was invalid when everyone at every level in the Little League organization was claiming it as valid?

Drover · 02-12-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Attrill

The kids could not have known that the boundaries of the team were invalid, because until yesterday both the regional LL director and Little League International were stating in no uncertain terms that the boundaries were valid.

So basically the kids and parents were shown a map by the coaches and asked if they qualified with those boundaries (and no one is claiming any kid didn't). If they didn't trust the coaches and had asked the regional director, he too would have confirmed those boundaries. If they were still concerned, and went to the Little League International, they also would have confirmed those boundaries. How could parents have known that the map was invalid when everyone at every level in the Little League organization was claiming it as valid?

So which map are you referring to? The original map used at the beginning of the season, or the falsified, re-drawn map that poached territory from other teams without their consent and was back-dated to make it appear it had been approved before the start of entire season?

mjtinmemphis · 02-12-2015, 10:51 AM

This is a learning moment for the team.

The kids did what they where supposed to do. Worked hard and kicked butt fair and square. The world needs to see the classy actions these kids and regardless of what happens, they need to know they are champions and will be rewarded.

If there was any wrong doing on behalf of the parents, shame on them. Second learning opportunity. Keep yourself clean and play by the rules.

All teams need to be investigated from residency to age verification to make sure everyone is clean and will prove or disprove the racial tone and will confirm if there is a need for legal action.

Drover · 02-12-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mjtinmemphis

This is a learning moment for the team.

The kids did what they where supposed to do. Worked hard and kicked butt fair and square.

If there was any wrong doing on behalf of the parents, shame on them. Second learning opportunity. Keep yourself clean and play by the rules.

All teams need to be investigated from residency to age verification to make sure everyone is clean and will prove or disprove the racial tone and will confirm if there is a need for legal action.

All teams are investigated for residency and age verification, or are at least asked to provide documentation thereof. The issue here is two-fold: 1) JRW falsified the documentation of the former and 2) many of those who knew about it -- and that includes some district officials -- didn't want to rock the boat as JRW kept climbing up the tournament ranks. That left the one or two people who kept trying to bring it to the league's attention looking like shrieking loons until DNAinfo got involved and started pressing the case as well.

Attrill · 02-12-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Drover

So which map are you referring to? The original map used at the beginning of the season, or the falsified, re-drawn map that poached territory from other teams without their consent and was back-dated to make it appear it had been approved before the start of entire season?

It wasn't back dated, they got a corrupt LL official at the district level to approve it without telling other teams, this happened before the season began. Little League International backed him up for months. No residences were falsified, and anyone checking with LL officials would have been told the map was valid.

It wasn't right, but the Little League organization is complicit in everything that happened, and it's pretty disgusting to see them refusing to take any responsibility for this whole mess.