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I understand the parallels between Ezekiel and Revelation, and of course there is a connection. I was just trying to point out that "never" is not really "never" in the Bible. As we can all see, Tyre (sour) is standing once again, or at least we can see that a city has been built where Tyre once stood, though the Bible informs us that it would be a bare rock forever.
My thoughts exactly
It would be interesting to know how long it was before tyre was built again because Isaiah states Tyre will be forgotten 70 years and after 70 Tyre shall sing like a harlot. Isaiah 23:15
Do you have any actual proof for this claim? If it were so, how can the Bible contain errors and contradictions?
>>"The great worldwide deluge that destroyed every living thing save Noah, the seven others, and those immature animals on the Ark,<<
There is no archeological evidence that this deluge was worldwide. Moreover, the Bible reports a race of gaints existing both before and after the flood. (Maybe you want to argue that they were tall enough to keep their heads above water? )
Hundreds of extant and ancient tribes speak of this global flood in their oral histories and legends, and geology confirms that the vast sedimentary layers on the continents with billions of creatures therewith entombed were obviously deposited in a global flood that covered the continents. The lack of tension cracks in the now folded sedimentary layers of the mountains shows that the mountains rose after the sedimentary layers were deposited and while those layers were still moist and malleable, therefore, for these and many other reasons (which no doubt those in denial will require for refutation), the Genesis account (and the entirety of God's written word) should be acknowledged to be an accurate book of ancient history. The Blessings of The Eternal One keep your heads above plausible deniability...
Hundreds of extant and ancient tribes speak of this global flood in their oral histories and legends, and geology confirms that the vast sedimentary layers on the continents with billions of creatures therewith entombed were obviously deposited in a global flood that covered the continents. The lack of tension cracks in the now folded sedimentary layers of the mountains shows that the mountains rose after the sedimentary layers were deposited and while those layers were still moist and malleable, therefore, for these and many other reasons (which no doubt those in denial will require for refutation), the Genesis account (and the entirety of God's written word) should be acknowledged to be an accurate book of ancient history. The Blessings of The Eternal One keep your heads above plausible deniability...
Really want to provide us with some real proof rather then stuff you read off a website. Give us a real geologist who agrees with you on that. And since we know much of what the bible said never happened, why would genesis be any different?
It would be interesting to know how long it was before tyre was built again because Isaiah states Tyre will be forgotten 70 years and after 70 Tyre shall sing like a harlot. Isaiah 23:15
Well he was wrong too, just like Zeke was because Alexander rebuilt most of it straight after destroying it.
Since I cannot rep him I must agree with Mike. The Bible is the inspired word of God and the OT is confirmed by Christ and the Bible has 66 books and 40 authors and not a single mistake or contradiction while the other books are full of mistake and contradictions. .
I'm not talking about when the first Gospel was written. I'm talking about when the church-age began 50 days after the resurrection of Christ and the subsequent spread of Christianity. If Jesus had not been resurrected, there would have been no reason for the Apostles who had been cowardly when Jesus was crucified to have suddenly changed into courageous men who risked death to spread the word as they did. Many people saw and were witnesses to the resurrected Jesus.
No, the individual writers of the Gospels are not collectively called John.
Exact dates can't be given. Approximate dates are as follows.
Matthew wrote his Gospel after Mark and before the destruction of the temple which was in 70 A.D. His Gospel emphasizes Jesus as King.
Mark wrote his Gospel around 64-68 A.D. Mark shows that Jesus came as a servant.
Luke's Gospel was written between 64-70 A.D. Luke also wrote Acts afterwards. Luke presents Jesus as the Son of Man - as man in his essential humanity.
John's Gospel was written about 85-90 A.D. Johns gospel shows Christ's deity - He is the Son of God.
Each Gospel was written to show a different aspect of Jesus.
Skeptics always try to give a late date to the Gospels in an attempt to discredit them.
Skeptics give a late date to the gospel because of certain themes within that wouldn't have made sense to a pre Temple destruction era Jew or Gentile. We can't even agree on a reliable since the first verified text that says we have them was written between 115 and 130.
Take the exodus for example....we have basic problems dating it....if you go by biblical time then it would place it at around 1440. The problem with this is Egypt was in an ascendancy and also in complete control of the levant at that time....so any movement of a large group of people into an area would have brought some written documentation. So we can then go for a later date of course around perhaps the early 13th century because we know Israel did exist by at least 1207....at least a group of people calling themselves such. So the next problem is the size of the group which you are given the number of male so you can estimate a population of around 2 million. First off if there were a sudden relocation of 2 millions slaves it would have immediate effects on the Egyptian empire. You can't just remove that many workers from an economy and not feel it....and the Egyptian empire didn't begin its fall until much later....so it's hard to believe in the numbers no? But you could still argue that maybe the numbers were written down wrong, and that still doesn't argue against the exodus. The next issues you run into are the areas of Kadesh-barnea and Ezion Geber show no late bronze age occupation is all. You do however see it built up around the 8th century bc which is when most scholars believe the first pen so to say went to paper. This also applies to Tell arad and Heshborn 2 areas the Israelites are said to have done battle with great cities. You also find no large structures anywhere in the Sinai that would support such a large or long journey. The last point is groups like the philistines,edomites,moabites etc didn't even exist at that time frame. The philistines were not even settled into the Levant until after the Israelites would have gotten there. And groups like the moabites or edomites didn't exist until much later. In fact there was very little occupation in the transjordan until the Assyrian empire.We could also get into the conquest which has very little proof as well.
No one is saved apart from faith in Jesus Christ. The false prophet Mohammed is in hades today, and will spend eternity in the lake of fire unless he received Jesus as Savior before he died. The same goes for all the religious leaders of all the religions of the world. Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Cool, then you accept that Christianity has no religious legal protections under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution and that you have no religious rights to express Christianity in the public square. All Christian churches shall also be exempt of their tax free status and owe the American people 200+ years of back taxes.
Sounds good to me!
Perhaps we can reclassify Christianity as a mental disorder then. After all, having a relationship with an invisible, non-communicative entity through another invisible non-communicative entity is either a mental disorder or a religion - if there is indeed a difference.
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...Contrary to what is taught in the public school systems across the divided states of America the ice age ended about 1500 BC...roughly the same time as Israel was being led out of Egypt by Moses...roughly the same time the dark caucasoid Aryans were displaced due to worldwide climatic changes...as well as the Angles, the Jutes, the Jomons, the Amazons, the Formorians...and a great host of other ancient peoples shuffled aside by the uniformitarian elite who favor an ice age that ended 10,000-12,000 yrs. The Blessings of The Eternal One bring you to your C14 senses...
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I was just trying to point out that "never" is not really "never" in the Bible. As we can all see, Tyre (sour) is standing once again, or at least we can see that a city has been built where Tyre once stood, though the Bible informs us that it would be a bare rock forever.
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