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Well said, Phaze. Unfortunately, these fundies DO BELIEVE that denying what THEY say is God's Word is denying God. Twinspin has even proudly proclaimed it outright in this forum! They believe there is only one way to read the English words and only one interpretation to take from them Of course the inspirations were not recorded in English and not in our generation or culture . . . but that doesn't seem to bother them much. There is no reasoning with such intransigence and ignorance.
Your god is not the one in the bible. You delete the true God and make up one to fit your ideas. Kind of sad that the real God is not good enough for you. You all say, how could God of the old testament do this?!!
How you cannot reconcile it all in your spirit means you cannot believe it. You cannot accept it.
To deny God of the old testament is to deny God.My beliefs line up with the word of God. I believe the WHOLE WORD OF GOD. OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT GOD. THEY ARE ONE!
If you deny the old testament God as God you do not have the spirit of God in you.
That is not necessarily true, there is not even a scripture that dictates that you must believe a collection of writings to have the spirit of God in you. Again, that is YOUR belief and not believing you has no bearing upon a persons ability to have the spirit of God in them.
Well said, Phaze. Unfortunately, these fundies DO BELIEVE that denying what THEY say is God's Word is denying God. Twinspin has even proudly proclaimed it outright in this forum! They believe there is only one way to read the English words and only one interpretation to take from them. Of course the inspirations were not recorded in English and not in our generation or culture . . . but that doesn't seem to bother them much. There is no reasoning with such intransigence and ignorance.
Yes, even we seem to disagree some on the nature of the old testament, that said, that disagreement does not prevent you from believing in God. You have not denied God simply because we do not see eye to eye on the bible.
Yes, absolutely.... this is not the reality... sin/hell/death..... Christ came to enlighten us and make it known who we truly are. Instead, because of our own unbelief we condemn ourselves.
It's interesting that Paul says, "especially to those who believe." He's trying to make that point... that we are already saved. All of us and it is our disbelief that condemns us.
Jesus warned of hell fire to the unbelievers. Also the Word says even if the fear of it saves some that is good.
Jude 1-23 And others save with fear,pulling them out of the fire,hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
You have to stop lying and misrepresenting us, Finn . . . it is very tiresome. God is watching and He knows your heart. You cannot lie for God (that is for Muslims). Nothing I profess "overrides" what the Bible says . . . but it certainly contradicts your OT beliefs about God's nature and motives. Christ came to eliminate the OT veil of ignorance about God and I believe HIM! Nobody is calling for abandoning the Bible . . . more extreme lies (doesn't it bother you even a little to lie so much, Finn?). I am here to witness about the God I know and love. No one has to believe me, Finn.There is no way the Holy Spirit has anything to do with your belief that God could ever do or command the things He is accused of in the OT . . . and certainly nothing to do with your belief in ET!! THAT is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit . . . and that is a major problem.
Why are you always so angry?
When you say things like "Mindless robotic adherence to words "written in ink" does not edify or elevate our souls" it sure sounds like you think the bible is nothing but paper and ink, and the truth cannot be found there. Instead you always push beliefs you claim has been written in your heart. It sure is strange that the things written in your heart are so different from the things written in the Bible and on other people's hearts. What is in your heart is evidenced in the tone of your posts, like the one I quoted.
That is not necessarily true, there is not even a scripture that dictates that you must believe a collection of writings to have the spirit of God in you. Again, that is YOUR belief and not believing you has no bearing upon a persons ability to have the spirit of God in them.
If you can't believe in the God of the Bible , what God do you suppose you believe in? There is only ONE GOD.
When you say things like "Mindless robotic adherence to words "written in ink" does not edify or elevate our souls" it sure sounds like you think the bible is nothing but paper and ink, and the truth cannot be found there. Instead you always push beliefs you claim has been written in your heart. It sure is strange that the things written in your heart are so different from the things written in the Bible and on other people's hearts. What is in your heart is evidenced in the tone of your posts, like the one I quoted.
The paper and ink is the WORD OF GOD. IT IS CALLED THE HOLY BIBLE!
You believe it is a collection of writings.. very degrading and denying the power of the word and the power of God with his relationship with his people.
Even Jesus said. How long must I suffer with you. You have no understanding or respect for the Word of God.
I do not want others to fall for this message. It is perversion of the true God. Saying not to make the bible an idol as if the Word of God is not God.
the bride, of the old Covenat was Israel of the flesh, those who married God on Mount Sinai
More error, The children of the flesh, are not the children of God. Rom 9:8
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The Israel according to the sinai covenant, were no more married to God[Spiritually], of which whom Christ is BTW, than Ishmael and his descendants were, in fact, they are liken as the same according to the inspired writer paul. Gal 4:
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
The Heirs are the True Bride[Joint Heirs with Christ their Husband], it never was Israel under the Old Covenant, Abraham's Israel under the Old Covenant according to the flesh only, Have never been the Children of God, not ever.
If you can't believe in the God of the Bible , what God do you suppose you believe in? There is only ONE GOD.
The bible is simply a collection of writings, just because a person chooses to focus upon JESUS or even what JESUS Represents (LOVE) does not mean that they must conform to your religious perspective.
And again, simply produce the scripture from your own studies that demonstrates that belief in a collection of writings is necessary for one to have the spirit of God in them.
It is you who are making a judgment about the spiritual character of someone else, a judgment I have shown that you cannot make with any merit at all.
I do not want others to fall for this message. It is perversion of the true God. Saying not to make the bible an idol as if the Word of God is not God.
So which bible? The scriptures that men have chosen not to include, the ones in the past that were included? The paper and ink has been altered and changed by men, something that goes ignored. You may assert that the "Bible" as we know it now is the "true" word of God. But that is what some would say before books were exluded and removed.
So this assertion you make of the paper and ink being God, has no useful argument.
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