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God selected those who have been physically born to be born. Of those born, those who are elected and predestined are those who God in His foreknowlege knew from eternity past would place their faith in Christ.
It does not say according to His foreknowledge, It say Because of WHOM He foreknew...Hawyaw did NOT look down the corridor of time and see who would accept and who would reject the offer of Salvation...That would negate His Omniscience...It is as He has Ordained it to be...We are not seperate beings from Hawyaw that He must look and learn about us...We have no existance outside of Him and are origins are because of Him...We are sentient because of Him...We are self-aware because of Him...It does not say 'from eternity past' regarding the Chosen...
Rom 8:29 because whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
If Hawyaw Chose those that He new would Believe...That would be Meritorious Salvation...Not Grace Salvation...
I want to give a fairly complete answer to why babies are born already spiritually dead. Remember though that anyone who dies without ever having the ability to comprehend the concept of God is automatically saved based on the finished work of Christ on the cross.
You are not going to find a passage which directly states that. You have to understand the principle that because the entire human race was seminally in Adam - he is the federal head of the human race, the entire human race bears the consequences of his original sin. God did this out of grace. The principle is that condemnation must precede salvation.
Adam was indeed created perfect. God who is perfect cannot create anything which is imperfect.
Adam's original relationship with God was dependent upon him obeying God's command to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God gave man volition and volition needs to have something to work with. Adam had to be given the opportunity to obey or to disobey God, and the tree was that opportunity. The moment he disobeyed that command as God had always known that he would, he died spiritually. Satan thought that he had won his case against God when Adam fell and that God would have to reverse His sentencing of Satan to the lake of fire. But all Adam's disobedience did was to advance God's predetermined plan (Acts 2:23). God immediately condemned Adam and the woman (she wasn't yet called Eve, until after the fall), and then just as quickly gave the gospel promise of the Messiah who was to come (Gen 3:15). Both Adam and Eve believed the promise and were then eternally saved never to again be in danger of breaking their eternal relationship with God through sin.
And so, God put the entire human race into one basket, under the umbrella of grace by immediately condemning every person the moment they are born, so that all they have to do to be eternally saved is to simply place their faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Adam didn't have eternal security before the fall. His relationship with God was dependent on obedience. But once he was condemned and then believed the promise of the coming Messiah he was entered into a new and unbreakable eternal relationship with God, though his relationship with God in time would involve discipline for disobedience.
Therefore the condemnation of the entire human race including the new born baby is an act of grace. Being already condemned, a person needs only to respond to the gospel through faith alone in Christ alone in order to enter into an eternally secure relationship with God.
The book of Romans does teach that everyone is condemned on the basis of Adam's original sin (Romans 5:18-19).
So I see a God where I am glad he judges babies. If he just ignored them, they truly would be lost if they died, he judges them so they will be with him. What will the unborn or the newborn or even a toddler answer for? LOL, he says let them come to him. I guess each person can decide if that is good or bad, I think it is wonderful.
Now, this I can see as Logical deduction...Since they had not the chance to do wrong, they will still be judged for their wrong and rebellious nature...However, they had not the oppotunity to act on that nature...So, what would there be to Judge, what would there be to be guilty of?...
Jesus was born without sin because He was born of a virgin. Had He not been born of a virgin (as the rest of us) then He would have been born with Adam's sin. This is the whole reason why He had to be born of a virgin in the first place.
Where does it state that Jeshua was born without sin?...
Isa 7:14 So, The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold! The virgin will conceive and will bring forth a son; and she shall call His name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 He shall eat curds and honey until He knows to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Isa 7:16 For before the boy shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you hate will be forsaken before both her kings.
Richard, the mother cannot transmit the sin nature. The egg before being fertilized by the sperm is free from the contamination of the sin nature. It is not until the egg is fertilized that the sin nature is passed to it. The reason is because meiosis and the destruction of polar bodies results in a womans egg remaining free of contamination from the genetically transmitted old sin nature. At the time that the egg cell is released from the ovary, there is cellular division called meiosis which reduces the number of chromosomes from forty-six to twenty-three. In this process, the contamination of the sin nature is thrown off into non-functional polar bodies which soon disintigrate. This leaves an unfertilized egg which is free from the contamination of the sin nature.
When the sperm of the male fertilizes the egg, the twenty-three chromosomes which the male contributes to the reproductive process and which are contaminated with the sin nature recontaminate the now fertilized egg. It is for that reason that Jesus had to come into the world through a virgin birth. And that is why Genesis 3:15 refers to the woman's seed rather than the seed of the man.
I think I did a fairly accurate though incomplete description of the process involved. I did a brief and loose paraphrase from R.B. Thieme JR's 'The Intregrity of God, p. 61. I did leave out quite a bit. But that gives the basic idea.
If that is the scientific truth, then it maes logical sense...Still,
Isa 7:14 So, The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold! The virgin will conceive and will bring forth a son; and she shall call His name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 He shall eat curds and honey until He knows to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Isa 7:16 For before the boy shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you hate will be forsaken before both her kings.
Why would someone without the sin nature require learning to refure evil and choose good?...If one did not have the sin nature then that one would automatically choose good...Wouldn't you say?...
Show me just one passage that says sin nature. If what you claim is true, that the Bible says it a dozen times, then cite the verses. Just because you interpret something to mean sin nature, doesn't make it true.
The early church vehemently denied the doctrine of inherited depravity. You are following the teachings of the gnostics, Mani, Augustine, Luther and Calvin. This is a false doctrine.
The gnostics first, then Augustine, later Luther and Calvin, but the early church never taught original sin. Read church history.
Kate
The Gnostics never believed in Original Sin...They also fell under a different name 'Catherists'...Here read about Gnosticism before you make yourself sound -
Where does it state that Jeshua was born without sin?...
Isa 7:14 So, The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold! The virgin will conceive and will bring forth a son; and she shall call His name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 He shall eat curds and honey until He knows to refuse the evil and choose the good.
Isa 7:16 For before the boy shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you hate will be forsaken before both her kings.
This is speaking of Jeshua, is it not?...
Sure it is speaking of Jesus. But that doesn't say He was born with sin. If He were born with sin then He would not be able to be our redeemer for them He would be under the same curse of Adam's sin. It says in the scriptures that Jesus knew no sin - obviously He couldn't be born with sin either.
"21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. "
God bless.
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