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Hi, if this is true, then why did Adam sin and why did he disobey? Why didn't he make the right choice? Jesus is perfect, although He was tempted. He never sinned and always sought to please the Father. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 12-25-2011 at 11:33 AM..
If this is true, then why did Adam sin and why did he disobey? Why didn't he make the right choice?
Jesus is perfect, although He was tempted. He never sinned and always sought to please the Father.
Hi, if this is true, then why did Adam sin and why did he disobey? Why didn't he make the right choice? Jesus is perfect, although He was tempted. He never sinned and always sought to please the Father. God bless.
I explained it in an earlier post on this thread. Please feel free to refer to it.
It's in post #107 where I speak of the fact that there are three sources of temptation, of which the old sin nature is but one. The others are the the world and the devil.
No. Adam was not made in such a way that he HAD to sin. He was created perfect. God who is perfect can only create what is perfect. Adam was given volition and the opportunity to use that volition by being given a choice to obey or disobey God's command not to eat of the tree.
Adam lost his relationship with God the moment he disobeyed Him. The consequences of sin is death which refers to temporal separation from God in time and eternal separation from God in the lake of fire. It is only because God did something about Adam's fallen condition that Adam's relationship with God could be restored. Jesus Christ came to Adam in the garden after he fell in order to restore the relationship which was broken by Adam' disobedience.
Spiritual death is separation from God in time. Those who die physically without receiving Christ as Savior will be eternally separated from God which is the second death which is eternity in the lake of fire. Physical death resulted from spiritual death. Spiritual death resulted from disobeying God. Because of Adam's didobedience, all men are born into the world already spiritually dead.
You refer to Romans 5:12 and ignore Romans 5:16-21 which plainly states that Adam's disobedience resulted in man being made a sinner. ONE transgression resulted in condemnation to all men.
The many were made sinners not as a result of each man's personal sins, but because of the one transgression of Adam.
The point is that Adam had no sin nature, yet he sinned. You are insinuating sin nature was inherited. There not one single scripture that says we "inherit" sin or sin nature.
If you say sin nature makes us sin, then we have no choice but to sin. If thats true then we have no choice to be saved either. Thats what the universalists believe and we both know that is a false doctrine.
It's in post #107 where I speak of the fact that there are three sources of temptation, of which the old sin nature is but one. The others are the the world and the devil.
Where is the scriptural support for there being three sources of temptation, one being the old sin nature, the other two being the world and the devil?
I repeat "sinful nature" cannot be found in the Bible any more than original sin can be found.
If you say sin nature makes us sin, then we have no choice but to sin. If thats true then we have no choice to be saved either. Thats what the universalists believe and we both know that is a false doctrine.
Hi, all are in need of a Savior. Jesus died for each and everyone, including babies who have never sinned. No one can prevent themselves from being born into the death state and no one can prevent themselves from becoming sinners. Even babies who have never sinned, are born into the death state, so yes, as in Adam all die, in Christ, all will be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15) God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 12-25-2011 at 04:25 PM..
The old sin nature is one of three sources of temptation. The three sources of temptation are the world, the flesh (the sin nature), and the devil. Satan can only be in one place at a time and is very busy. He tempted Jesus in the wilderness, but he is not going to bother with directly tempting the average believer. His cosmic system (the world) however, is a major source of temptation. The internal source of temptation is the sin nature. While Adam's original sin is imputed to the old sin nature, Personal sin does not originate in the sin nature. Temptation is what originates in the sin nature. The source of sin is the volition which when it gives in to the temptation gives birth to sin.
Eve had no sin nature before the fall, but was tempted by Satan. Adam seeing her in her fallen condition had to choose between his relationship with God and his relationship with her, and he chose her. So he took the fruit from her hand and ate.
According to this, Adam still made the wrong choice and if he had been created perfect, as Jesus was, then he would not have made this choice. He would have not chosen Eve over God because he would have known better, right? God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 12-25-2011 at 04:26 PM..
The Scriptural support that the old sin nature is inherited is clear. You refuse to believe it because you find it offensive that a baby is born already spiritually dead.
Man sins because he is a sinner. He is a sinner because Adam's original sin is imputed to his genetically acquired old sin nature.
Romans 5:16-19 leaves no excuse for denying that. FROM ONE MAN'S TRANSGRESSION ALL WERE CONDEMNED. THROUGH ONE MAN'S DISOBEDIENCE ALL WERE MADE SINNERS. Not from their own personal sins, but through one man's disobedience.
And with that, I will spend no more time on this. Truth is truth regardless of whether you choose to believe it or not.
My reasons for not accepting that babies are born spiritually dead is not because I find it offensive but because it is absolutely clear that we are created in God's image. God doesn't give us a dead spirit. We don't die spiritually until we know right from wrong and choose to do wrong.
As I said in my OP, Romans 5 is grossly misrepresented by you and others. This false doctrine comes from the gnostics and then Augustine, Luther and Calvin. Jesus never taught it. In fact,He taught the opposite. He said about children "of such is the kingdom of heaven. Children are trusting and innocent. Jesus wants us to be like children. He certainly wouldn't have asked us to be as children if they were spiritually dead.
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