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Old 04-16-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: New England
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Notice Jesus nor Peter nor Paul ever evangelized anyone by saying "Save yourselves from hell!"? It was always: "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." (Acts 2:40).
Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

Until we all get it
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Can you quote a bible verse that states that Jesus Christ saved us from eternal hell(your favorite verse in the whole wide world John 3:16 does not say that he saved us from eternal hell). The belief in this is the cause of mainstream Christianity being a dead religion.

2 Thess. 1

The Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.
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Old 04-16-2013, 10:20 PM
 
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If All Will be Saved, Why Did Jesus Have to Die?

To overthrow the power of sin and death within humanity.

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Old 04-16-2013, 10:59 PM
 
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Then quit distorting what Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10,11; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Colossians 1:20; Ephesians 1:9,10 and you won't be classed with the rest of the ignorant and unstable people who also distort what Paul wrote.

Here is Galatians 5:19-21 which you referenced above:
Now apparent are the works of the flesh, which are adultery, prostitution, uncleanness, wantonness,
(20) idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousies, furies, factions, dissensions, sects, (21)
envies, murders, drunkennesses, revelries, and the like of these, which, I am predicting to you, according
as I predicted also, that those committing such things shall not be enjoying the allotment of the kingdom
of God."
"ignorant and unstable people distort" the word "all" to mean "all inclusive". Because Paul wrote more than just 1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10,11; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Colossians 1:20; Ephesians 1:9,10 .... which the context determines that "all" does not mean to be understood as "all inclusive".

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Do you think that when God is All in all mankind that any of mankind will be doing those works of the flesh?
"ignorant and unstable people distort" the word "all" to mean "all inclusive".
"Do not be deceived: the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God"

Matthew 25:33; 41
He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.....“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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Is God's wrath still remaining on you? Did it remain on you at one point in your life?
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36
"ignorant and unstable people distort other scriptures to their destruction" ... scriptures like John 3:18; 36

Condemned to what? ... Matthew 25:41
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36
"ignorant and unstable people distort other scriptures to their destruction" ... scriptures like John 3:18; 36

Condemned to what? ... Matthew 25:41
Death. All are condemned to death. You didn't know about that? Why? Because all are born in Adam and therefore all have inherited from Adam the death penalty.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:31 AM
 
Location: New England
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2 Thess. 1

The Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.
Now come on Jimmie you no better than that, the correct translation is age enduring destruction. You should also no that Gods way of correction is by destroying the very thing that stands in our way us and him.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:33 AM
 
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Oh what promise from God.

1 Thes 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everlasting last forever!
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:56 AM
 
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Oh what promise from God.

1 Thes 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Everlasting last forever!
His love endures forever, Psalm 100:5.So if you want you to rely on mistranslated words I admonish you to err on the side of what in the bible is called the greatest...........Love(check it out in 1 Cor 13) xoxoxo. You just love that smack down smiley.
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Are you serious?? You do not see an answer in my TWO posts? I was only being facetious in suggesting you have a reading problem . . . but if you REALLY do not see that I answered your question I am not so sure. Do you or do you not see that I answered your question???
I ask: Is it raining in Boston?

You answer: It's sunny in Los Angeles
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Now come on Jimmie you no better than that, the correct translation is age enduring destruction. You should also no that Gods way of correction is by destroying the very thing that stands in our way us and him.
The correct translation is debatable. The term "age-during" is not completely understood. The same term is used for life when referring to believers. However, if you read John 3:18, 36 and Luke 16:26, it certainly appears to be permanent.
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