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Old 05-02-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Read up in the O.T. about the animal sacrifices. You will see how directly symbolic of Jesus these sacrifices were.
Blood sacrifices to appease a jealous and vengeful God are the most primitive and barbaric responses to human fear and ignorance about God. The religious leaders who have perpetuated this ignorance for over 2000 years carry a heavy burden.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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I'm not sure if it's funny or horribly sad, that you xtains ignore the very words of the Most High YHWH. You must believe in "another" god surely as you have not read where HE stated quite plainly "I Change NOT", and yet you think Messiah was manifest from some "other" god? good luck with that.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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Blood sacrifices to appease a jealous and vengeful God are the most primitive and barbaric responses to human fear and ignorance about God. The religious leaders who have perpetuated this ignorance for over 2000 years carry a heavy burden.
That religious leader you reject is God Himself. Your ignorance and lack of Christ in you is evidenced by such rejections of God.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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I'm not sure if it's funny or horribly sad, that you xtains ignore the very words of the Most High YHWH. You must believe in "another" god surely as you have not read where HE stated quite plainly "I Change NOT", and yet you think Messiah was manifest from some "other" god? good luck with that.
God is a Living God and life IS change. However, what needed to change is the ignorant savage and superstitious BELIEFS ABOUT God in our barbarian ancestors' minds that were born of fear. God has no human psychological weaknesses . . . but our ignorant ancestors did not know that . . . so they attributed such weaknesses as they saw in their human leaders to God. THAT is what Christ came to change by lifting the veil of ignorance over reading the OT descriptions of God.
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Old 05-02-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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That religious leader you reject is God Himself. Your ignorance and lack of Christ in you is evidenced by such rejections of God.
God has none of the human psychological weaknesses you believe He possesses from reading the OT descriptions of Him. We do not have such a weak God, Nathan/Dennis.
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Old 05-02-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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That religious leader you reject is God Himself. Your ignorance and lack of Christ in you is evidenced by such rejections of God.
I have never known him to reject the true and living Spirit.
Only the ignorance within humanity.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:07 AM
 
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He came to reveal the true nature of God to a bunch of ignorant fearful savages who believed in a jealous vengeful God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifices. He told them God desires mercy not sacrifice. He told them if they know Him they know the Father. He was loving and accepting of everybody . . . and they could not accept that their God was that way. Their God was a War God who would send a King to free them from the Roman rule. Judas believed He was that kind of God and probably fully expected Him to finally show His wrath and vengeance when they scourged Him and tried to crucify Him. That is why he was so devastated when Jesus did nothing. Christ's message and revelation about God's Love for us all was made unambiguous by His acceptance of the scourging and crucifixion WITHOUT smiting anyone . . . and forgiving them.
Mystic you do know that Jesus was alluding to the Old Testament, right? I desire mercy and not sacrifice is a quotation from an “ignorant fearful savage” Hoesa .
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:16 AM
 
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Mystic you do know that Jesus was alluding to the Old Testament, right? I desire mercy and not sacrifice is a quotation from an “ignorant fearful savage” Hoesa .
Right, and 'love your neighbor as youself says the LORD" was written by the "ignorant, fearful, clueless savage" Moses.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:38 AM
 
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Right, and 'love your neighbor as youself says the LORD" was written by the "ignorant, fearful, clueless savage" Moses.
The ignorant, fearful, savages seem to be the ones pointing the finger!
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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He came to reveal the true nature of God to a bunch of ignorant fearful savages who believed in a jealous vengeful God who needed to be appeased by blood sacrifices. He told them God desires mercy not sacrifice. He told them if they know Him they know the Father. He was loving and accepting of everybody . . . and they could not accept that their God was that way. Their God was a War God who would send a King to free them from the Roman rule. Judas believed He was that kind of God and probably fully expected Him to finally show His wrath and vengeance when they scourged Him and tried to crucify Him. That is why he was so devastated when Jesus did nothing. Christ's message and revelation about God's Love for us all was made unambiguous by His acceptance of the scourging and crucifixion WITHOUT smiting anyone . . . and forgiving them.
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Please try harder to read everything I say and process it without your filter of "precepts and doctrines of men," brother. It was NOT necessary for Him to die in THAT WAY AT THAT TIME to appease God. As a human . . . Jesus was bound to die as we all are. OF course He came to bring us the Gospel as an act of love. He came to reveal the Good News about the TRUE NATURE of God to our ignorant ancestors (blind minds) . . . and the inevitable price for doing that at that savage time was the horrendous death those barbarians inflicted on Him. Tolerating it without vengeance or reprisal unto death was the ultimate proof of His teachings and the Good News of God's love for us all . . . even Christ's torturers and murderers.

But His death and rebirth as Spirit is also what conquered death and made His human consciousness (Holy Spirit/Comforter) available to ALL of us within our human consciousness. Prior to Christ . . . humanity did NOT have the daily benefit of the Holy Spirit to guide them. Sporadically . . . some sensitives would receive visions or inspirations from God's Holy Spirit . . . but for the most part humanity was without its presence and guidance. His Holy Spirit in a human consciousness is what Christ brought to us all . . . first as a man while still alive to teach us . . . and now constantly as the Living Word of God (Comforter) within our consciousness as we mature our embryo Spirit (born from above/conceived) to our own rebirth as Spirit.
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Blood sacrifices to appease a jealous and vengeful God are the most primitive and barbaric responses to human fear and ignorance about God. The religious leaders who have perpetuated this ignorance for over 2000 years carry a heavy burden.
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That religious leader you reject is God Himself. Your ignorance and lack of Christ in you is evidenced by such rejections of God.
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God has none of the human psychological weaknesses you believe He possesses from reading the OT descriptions of Him. We do not have such a weak God, Nathan/Dennis.
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Mystic you do know that Jesus was alluding to the Old Testament, right? I desire mercy and not sacrifice is a quotation from an “ignorant fearful savage” Hoesa .
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Right, and 'love your neighbor as youself says the LORD" was written by the "ignorant, fearful, clueless savage" Moses.
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The ignorant, fearful, savages seem to be the ones pointing the finger!
I suggest you all actually read my posts instead of posting your knee jerk rejections based on the "precepts and doctrines of men" you have been indoctrinated to accept as dogma. You have to stop trying to make this about an all-or-nothing acceptance of everything in the Bible as God-inspirations. The things that agree with Christ are true because Christ is THE Truth. Those that contradict Christ can NOT be excused or rationalized away as "God's ways are not our ways" or "God is mysterious" or . . . whatever. To excuse clear Evil and contradictions of Christ's revelation of the TRUE NATURE of God is "anti-Christ," period. To accept what agrees with Christ is properly dividing the scriptures as He instructed.
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