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None of that barrage of text has anything to do with the fact that Jesus was telling the people not to look up to authority figures. Predictable.
True. But it does address the lame "Call No Man Father" attack which is busted, and now you know it.
As for looking up to authority figures:
Hebrews 13:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
Another feeble attack on the Church swept aside by the Word of God.
I'm more about presenting the teachings of the Church as clearly as I can than I am about naming names.
Well, so far I haven't read one thing you've written that, were I in search of a faith, would make me want to visit a Catholic church.
I've read a lot of authoritarian statements. I've seen you dissing people you don't like: liberal priests and nuns, hippies, feminists. (A big turn-off to the hippies and feminists. One can only imagine how the priests and nuns, who have dedicated their lives to the Church, feel about it.) I've discerned that you think you've got all the answers for everyone else. (I wouldn't count on that if I were you.) You can present the teachings of your Church until they put you in the ground but so can the fundamentalists. I don't believe Jesus hung on the Cross in agony for three hours so everyone could lecture each other on what denomination is best. Or right. But that's just me.
BTW: Most of those liberal priests and nuns do a bang-up job of serving the poor and teaching peace. Two things Jesus was interested in.
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True. But it does address the lame "Call No Man Father" attack which is busted, and now you know it.
As for looking up to authority figures:
Hebrews 13:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
Another feeble attack on the Church swept aside by the Word of God.
The same word translated "submit" is used in the injunction to memebers of the body to "submit yourselves one to another," so clearly it does not mean "subject" in the sense of kow tow or anything approaching it. "Give respect to" would be a more appropriate rendering of the meaning.
Another attempt to justify the power grab of controllers in the church swept aside by understanding what is said in the bible.
Well, so far I haven't read one thing you've written that, were I in search of a faith, would make me want to visit a Catholic church.
I don't recall anyone asking me that.
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I've read a lot of authoritarian statements.
They are authoritative, not authoritarian. I know what I'm talking about (when I don't I will say so).
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I've seen you dissing people you don't like: liberal priests and nuns, hippies, feminists. (A big turn-off to the hippies and feminists. One can only imagine how the priests and nuns feel about it.)
Those are labels for mindsets. Conservative, liberal, radical, new agers - we use these shorthand terms every day, don't we? I haven't attacked or abused a single specific individual on this forum, have I? Oh, except Martin Luther once.
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I've discerned that you think you've got all the answers for everyone else. (I wouldn't count on that if I were you.)
I don't. I think I have a LOT of the answers. God has them all. For everyone else? Well....people need to read my posts for themselves and decide if what I'm saying makes sense.
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You can present the teachings of your Church until they put you in the ground but so can the fundamentalists.
Agreed. However, sometimes the stronger argument convinces. That's why so many evangelical pastors are converting to Catholicism. Conversely, it's also why so many lukewarm Catholics leave - but soon, someone will be accusing me of using the "True Scot Fallacy". It's not a fallacy if it's true, but I'll just move on.
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I don't believe Jesus hung on the Cross in agony for three hours so everyone could lecture each other on what denomination is best. But that's just me.
And I agree. Jesus promised to build ONE Church. Men built a lot more later. That's kinda my whole point.
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BTW: Most of those liberal priests and nuns do a bang-up job of serving the poor and teaching peace. Two things Jesus was interested in.
Agreed. And as long as they are doing those things for the right reasons, then it's all good. But if social justice is ALL they are about, then they have missed the Gospel.
The same word translated "submit" is used in the injunction to memebers of the body to "submit yourselves one to another," so clearly it does not mean "subject" in the sense of kow tow or anything approaching it. "Give respect to" would be a more appropriate rendering of the meaning.
Another attempt to justify the power grab of controllers in the church swept aside by understanding what is said in the bible.
Are ALL church leaders power grabbers? Or just those in the Catholic Church?
Which probably lost you a ton of warm feelings from the Lutherans. And it proves, once again, that many Christians excel at attacking one another's beliefs.
If some continue to refer to Christians who reject the Roman church as Protestants I reserve the right to us a similar name in regard to the papist. We shall not have a double standard on this forum.
Which probably lost you a ton of warm feelings from the Lutherans. And it proves, once again, that many Christians excel at attacking one another's beliefs.
I have had LOOOOOONG discussions with Lutherans on my home board, and we have much more in common than is generally understood.
Honest Lutherans are not afraid to admit that he had some issues, and honest Catholics are not afraid to admit that he got some things right.
That's what the Lutheran-Catholic dialogues have been concluding any way.
Sorry to disappoint, but your last few posts seem to indicate that you want to paint me into a corner...far more divisive than I have been.
If some continue to refer to Christians who reject the Roman church as Protestants I reserve the right to us a similar name in regard to the papist. We shall not have a double standard on this forum.
Actually those that reject the Catholic CHurch are simply known as Anti Catholics.
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The Protestant Reformation was the schism within Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther, John Calvin, and other early Protestants. Although there had been significant attempts at reform before Luther (notably those of John Wycliffe and Jan Huss), the date most usually given for the start of the Protestant Reformation is 1517
If you don't consider yourself a reformer, that is fine. I think you are mostly independent Sola Scriptura, so I can see your point.
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