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=SAAN;32842957]I dont think you should bash a Catholic as a person, but anything that goes against the bible needs to be addressed if it does against scripture. Life is not about being a Christian or believing in and following any creeds, it is about believing Jesus died for your sins, repenting and trying to live your life like he did and how he commanded us to. If someone or something goes against what the bible teaches, it needs to be pointed out and corrected in Love, without name calling, or condemning someone to hell, or calling it the Beast/Anti-Christ worship.
Does the bible command us to have a Pope?
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So my friend. it's not what you know that is the problem here; NO! Its what you THINK you know
Consider these facts:
1. The term "bible" is NOT in the bible either; DOES TAHT mean its not real? Or how about the terms Protestant and catholic?
2. Because there IS but One True God
That One True God can and DOES have only One True Faith [Eph. 4: 1-7]
And following His Own OT tradition; of One Cchosen people: Christ choose to found ONLY one Church. Todays CC. AND YES I CAN PROVE IT BIBLICALLY.
And because there was NO OTHER "church" anywhere in the WORLD when the bible was fully written; THE END OF THE fIRST CENTURY OR EARLY 2ND. Century, [the NT by the way 100% authored by the First soon to be called Catholics], THE BIBLES REFERENCES TO "CHURCH" AND CHURCHES" every time refers ONLY to todays CC
Now as far as the "Pope" issue:
Again Christ was following once again His own OT tradition of always [neven an exceptiion] choosing One Man to lead His Chosen people [OT] and One New Faith and Church [NT]
So from Noah, Abraham, Moses, the Judges, Kings like david and Solomon, the Prophets like Isaiah, to the last OT prophet; John the Baptist, who lead to the Man, cHRIST, WHO FREELY CHOOSE 12 MORE MEN [Mt. 10: 1-8], and then choose Peter [ A MAN] to RUN his new founded Faith and Church: and gave to HIM all of the keys to heavens access and the POWER to Govern, to make and void laws [thats what the TERMS "bind and loose" REALLY mean and meant at that time and place. Mt.16:19
READ Mt. 10: 1-8
Mt. 16:15-19
John 17:13-22
Mk. 16:14-15
Mt. 28:16-20 [as a few evidences]
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Does the bible speak against graven images?
Does the bible speak against idolatry and bowing to statues?
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ONCE AGAIN YOUR LACK OF right understanding is evident. [This is caused by God NOT granting His Wisdom and Understanding to ALL faiths which choose to compete with the ONLY ONE He founded and desires. And YES, that too is biblical.
You refer here to what non-catholic-Christians choose to TERM "worship"; BUT don't bother to check out the facts!
"WORSHIP" is reservered for God ALONE. period!
To Mary, and the Saints is given vereration and reverence; BUT NOT WORSHIP. ASK me why we do this and I'll explain it to you.
Veneration and reverence are NOT prohibited by the Bible! [YES I KNOW that comes as a SHOCK!] Here's proof by God himself:
IDOLS:
1 Chr. 18 “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORDâ€
Exod.25: 18, 20 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. [20] The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be
Num.21: 8-9 And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.
My friend; its NOT the object; BUT the reason for the OBJECT that makes it a good or a evil. everything that CAN lead one TOWARDS God is Good, and aeverything that does not is evil.
Catholic prayers, ALL of them are intnede to GOD, but through Intercessors. THAT RIGHT is in the unlimited Powers of Governance God gives to His CC. READ John 17:18 & 20:21 for ptoof [literal translations there]
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Doesnt the bible say only God(YHWH) can forgive sins?
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Yes it does. So let me ASK YOU a couple of questions on that topic.
1. can God Not choose to exercise this perogatrive the WAY HE SEES FIT?
2.3 Can mere motral men statrt there own comperting religiond and TELL GOD How He is to forgive sins? Altar calls and Sinners prayers; where ARE THEY in the bible"
1John.1 Verses 8 to 10: "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
John.20 Verses 20 to 23 "When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." A
nd when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retainedâ€
And to further your education factually; this was NOT a "Jesus invention"
Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering." … Lev.6:7 “and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."
Lev.4: 20,26, 31 “Thus shall he do with the bull; as he did with the bull of the sin offering, so shall he do with this; and the priest shall make atonement for them, and they shall be forgiven. …] And all its fat he shall burn on the altar, like the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings; so the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin, and he shall be forgiven. …And all its fat he shall remove, as the fat is removed from the peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a pleasing odor to the LORD; and the priest shall make atonement for him, and he shall be forgiven"
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Doesnt the bible say to only pray to the Father, NOT Mary?
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No, actually it doesn't. Again your lack of understandong of the Powers and Authority invested in Christ One Church is swaying your understanding.
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Does the bible speak against substituting what God commands and replacing it with human traditions?
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I'll answer this with BIBLE PROOF if YOU answer one question for me:
WHERE IN THE BIBLE [EVEN ONE TIME] DOES GOD PERMIT COMPETING FAITHS IN EITHER THE OLD OR NEW TESTAMENTS? WHAT ARE YOUR GROUNDS TO SUPPORT GOD WANTING OR EVEN TOLOERTING YOUR FAITH?
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Again this is not a Catholic basing, but to really question is Catholicism (mainly RCC) following and
teaching what the bible commands or making up its own rules.
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Nor my friend am I taking it as bashing. Ignorance of the facts; YES! Bashing NO!
May God Bless you and grant you HIS Understanding. It seems to me unwise to assume catholics don't KNOW the bible. after all wwe are the bibles birth-parents.
If you would like further biblical evidence of any of my postions just let me know.
IamACatholic
Patrick
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