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What do you think of two unmarried Christians living together in a long-term romantic relationship? What would you say/do to try to convince them of what they should do?
I don't agree w/it because if they are living together, they are almost undoubtedly engaging in sexual intercourse. Outside of marriage, sex is sin. Plain and simple.
Our culture, and even many those who claim to be Christians, delude themselves into believing this is okay, but God's Word is very clear on this.
Nevertheless, that's an issue that individually, they must face God concerning. There's nothing that myself or anyone else can or should try to do to "convince them." If you believe in Jesus and the Bible in it's entirety, and are truly living to please Him, then you will live in a way that reflects that. If you are not, then you'll do what you want and justify your sin however you see fit.
If Christ is your Savior and the true director of Your Soul and who you worship in Spirit and in Truth, then it's clear what the right answer is here. Cultural norms and "what feels right" have no place in this matter. Sin is sin.
So, it's not my job or anyone else's to "convince" anyone of anything.
I don't agree w/it because if they are living together, they are almost undoubtedly engaging in sexual intercourse. Outside of marriage, sex is sin. Plain and simple.
Our culture, and even many those who claim to be Christians, delude themselves into believing this is okay, but God's Word is very clear on this.
Nevertheless, that's an issue that individually, they must face God concerning. There's nothing that myself or anyone else can or should try to do to "convince them." If you believe in Jesus and the Bible in it's entirety, and are truly living to please Him, then you will live in a way that reflects that. If you are not, then you'll do what you want and justify your sin however you see fit.
If Christ is your Savior and the true director of Your Soul and who you worship in Spirit and in Truth, then it's clear what the right answer is here. Cultural norms and "what feels right" have no place in this matter. Sin is sin.
So, it's not my job or anyone else's to "convince" anyone of anything.
Just my 2 cents.
See, this is where it's not that easy. The Bible is NOT clear on this subject. There is not an OT ban on pre-marital relations. In the NT, the closest thing we find is fornication, which the Greek word porneia is not clear as to whether this is pre-marital sex.
I don't say this because I want to have pre-marital sex, I say this because there is no clear Biblical admonition against it. Your line of reasoning that people are doing this because they want to justify sin can be used for any behavior whether it's a sin or not. It's like if I was saying that people listening to secular music are justifying their sin, even though the Bible is not clear on it.
See, this is where it's not that easy. The Bible is NOT clear on this subject. There is not an OT ban on pre-marital relations. In the NT, the closest thing we find is fornication, which the Greek word porneia is not clear as to whether this is pre-marital sex.
I don't say this because I want to have pre-marital sex, I say this because there is no clear Biblical admonition against it. Your line of reasoning that people are doing this because they want to justify sin can be used for any behavior whether it's a sin or not. It's like if I was saying that people listening to secular music are justifying their sin, even though the Bible is not clear on it.
The Scripture is clear that sex is only to be had within the boundaries of a marriage. Period. Anything else runs contrary to God.
The Scripture is clear that sex is only to be had within the boundaries of a marriage. Period. Anything else runs contrary to God.
Show me please where this is. And explain to me how there were no OT laws against concubinage or even polygamy. Also, the OT law didn't exist in the time of Hagar.
I never said there was. We are talking about whether it is right or wrong in the eyes of God, and it is.
Prove that it is wrong in the eyes of G-d...And I'm not talking about sleeping around...Did you know that children that are born during the betrothal process are considered legitimate?...That if you had sex with one that is betrothed to another, both of you have committed adultery?...That if you have sex with a women that is not betrothed to another, you must then take her as your wife?...So, how many do you have that you are neglecting?...
I don't agree w/it because if they are living together, they are almost undoubtedly engaging in sexual intercourse. Outside of marriage, sex is sin. Plain and simple.
Our culture, and even many those who claim to be Christians, delude themselves into believing this is okay, but God's Word is very clear on this.
Nevertheless, that's an issue that individually, they must face God concerning. There's nothing that myself or anyone else can or should try to do to "convince them." If you believe in Jesus and the Bible in it's entirety, and are truly living to please Him, then you will live in a way that reflects that. If you are not, then you'll do what you want and justify your sin however you see fit.
If Christ is your Savior and the true director of Your Soul and who you worship in Spirit and in Truth, then it's clear what the right answer is here. Cultural norms and "what feels right" have no place in this matter. Sin is sin.
So, it's not my job or anyone else's to "convince" anyone of anything.
Just my 2 cents.
And where, exactly, pray tell, is G-d's word clear on this?...
I agree that the modern ideas on christian purity based alot on poorly understood/translated Greek and Hebrewwords and passages. For example: the Greek word for fornication (porneia) literally translates Prostitution...And that just the beginning of the translation side of this. The favorite "one flesh" argument is alsopretty weak considering what was allowed (and arguably even commanded through Levirate marraige) in the OT. You can try to argue God tried to change itbecause of "hard heartness" but theres really no direct proof of thatand he's suppose to be the same now and forever. What modern (and even not so modern) Christian leaders think is best for society ≠ What is biblically allowed or forbidden.
What do you think of two unmarried Christians living together in a long-term romantic relationship? What would you say/do to try to convince them of what they should do?
I tell the couples that come to me for pre-marital counseling that the expectation is that they not live together. Pre-marital sex is sin--whether they are in a "long-term relationship" or not. Having said that, one of the couples I married this past summer was living together. I did not refuse to do the wedding.
If the couple calls themselves Christians and are a member of the church, I believe it would be appropriate at some point for the church to address it with them.
Genesis 2. God created man and woman to be together and become one flesh.
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