Christian Universalism: A threat to Christianity. (myths, zealous, translate, Koran)

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Heart_Song

I agree with you, Eusebius, though I will confess I am not a millennial (as I understand millennial-ism) which I think refers to those who are looking for a literal/earthly thousand year reign of Christ to come after the great tribulation. Please correct me if I'm wrong about my definition.

Christ is going to come back and set foot on Mt. Zion (Romans 11:26, Rev.14:1).

And in Matthew 23:3 the disciples asked Jesus "what is the sign of Thy presence and (what is the sign of) the conclusion of the eon?"

All the signs Jesus told them have not come to pass yet. Remember, not just one of the signs but all the
signs must come to pass prior to His return. And His return will be to rescue Israel from the man of
lawlessness, the beast, the antichrist. He is not going to come and take all those Israelites to heaven. He
is going to bring the kingdom OF heaven to earth. Abraham and others will come from the east and west
and sit down in that kingdom:

Mat_8:11 I am saying to you that many from the east and the west shall be arriving and reclining with
Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens,

The kingdom OF the heavens is going to be set up in Israel for 1000 years.

I think the reason people believe in no coming millennial reign is they subscribe to the unbelief of
the Catholic Church on this matter.

Chiliasm (Greek for 1000), otherwise knows as 1000 year-ism was believed by the earliest church for hundreds of years. You can read more about it here: Millennialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What I find interesting is that Christians, at least some Christians will believe the judgment scriptures and make them their major premise rather than believe all the verses of God's ultimate goal to save all mankind, justify all mankind, make all mankind righteous, vivify all mankind and be All in all mankind. Maybe they are afraid if they do make the salvation of all verses their major premise they are afraid they will lose friends and get kicked out of their church. But what is more important? losing friends or believing God?

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Provide just one where someone says God throwing people in eternal trash heap is the good news.

See post 290.

Thank you.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

See post 290.

Thank you.

I saw it. None of them say what you claim they say, and since they are hundreds of years old, none of them could logically support your claim about what "many Christians think" (in present tense).

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I saw it. None of them say what you claim they say, and since they are hundreds of years old, none of them could logically support your claim about what "many Christians think" (in present tense).

This is a modern theological seminary paper on this issue: https://www.rts.edu/Site/Virtual/Res...eeing_Hell.pdf

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

This is a modern theological seminary paper on this issue: https://www.rts.edu/Site/Virtual/Res...eeing_Hell.pdf

It should be noted that you're referencing a Reformed theological paper which in the theological world is flawed to begin with.

So trying to prove the Universalism heresy as valid by using a flawed theological seminary paper isn't much to go on.

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

It should be noted that you're referencing a Reformed theological paper which in the theological world is flawed to begin with.

So trying to prove the Universalism heresy as valid by using a flawed theological seminary paper isn't much to go on.

I wasn't trying to prove the truth of Universalism using that reference. I was proving that there are Christians who believe eternal hell fire and damnation is something to rejoice in.

[Freak80]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

It should be noted that you're referencing a Reformed theological paper which in the theological world is flawed to begin with.

So trying to prove the Universalism heresy as valid by using a flawed theological seminary paper isn't much to go on.

It's flawed just because you say so.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

It should be noted that you're referencing a Reformed theological paper which in the theological world is flawed to begin with.

So trying to prove the Universalism heresy as valid by using a flawed theological seminary paper isn't much to go on.

Exactly like using the error ridden / edited bible to prove the the flawed error ridden / edited bible is infallible?

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Eusebius

I wasn't trying to prove the truth of Universalism using that reference. I was proving that there are Christians who believe eternal hell fire and damnation is something to rejoice in.

So would that change the narrative of universalism if just the rejoicing part be something other ?

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Freak80

It's flawed just because you say so.

why not .. you operate on the same premise