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See what I mean.... thank you Mystic for proving my point !! Finn is not lying and you have no right to speak to him in that way.
Jesus would never speak to other's the way you do regardless what they believed. He always turned the other cheek and walked away !!
[color="RoyalBlue"]I hardly think Jesus was turning the other cheek and walking away when he confronted the smug religious zealots / pharisees when he called them a brood of vipers. Nor when he turned over the money changers tables.
Is Universalism a threat to Christianity? Christian Universalism states that Jesus/God accomplished the goal of saving all humans from their sin. IOW all people (in the universe) are reconciled with their creator regardless of belief. So God says you are saved so you have no choice but to be saved (simplified version). Isn't that a good thing?
God said in the scripture: " If you want to boast, then boast that you understand me."
The Universalism of uniting all the religions, basing on my observations, it is dangerous. This is not Catholicism. I really don't like the Chinese war gods with their priests get into the Stream. There was a report in Taiwan, where the traditional Chinese religions thrived on, a temple of god's followers forced into the schoolyards to grab students to run before their god. So that says all.
God said in the scripture: " If you want to boast, then boast that you understand me."
The Universalism of uniting all the religions, basing on my observations, it is dangerous. This is not Catholicism. I really don't like the Chinese war gods with their priests get into the Stream. There was a report in Taiwan, where the traditional Chinese religions thrived on, a temple of god's followers forced into the schoolyards to grab students to run before their god. So that says all.
And the rest of the verse--
Jeremiah 9:23--24
This is what the LORD says: "Let not the wise boast of their wisdom or the strong boast of their strength or the rich boast of their riches,
but let the one who boasts boast about this: that they have the understanding to know me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
The first sentence (23) describes our culture as it is today. So many are "boasting" of their scriptural knowledge by slinging verses and never their own words---they boast of their strength, be it physical or spiritual and rely on it to coerce others into accepting their "understanding of god-in-the-box---and way too many are boasting of their wealth as a sign that god-in-the-box has "blessed" them and they use this wealth to further manipulate the flock and extract their pound of flesh in the way of tithes, because who doesn't want to be om board with a WINNER and we all know winners have MONEY.
Then verse 24 tells us that the Lord is KINDNESS, JUSTICE and RIGHTEOUSNESS and that these are what the Lord DELIGHTS in.
But when we get to verse 25, we read the Lord is still into PUNISHING and killing and what not those who are uncircumcised...but more importantly, verse 26 tells us it is all POINTLESS, because these words are directed at Egypt, Judah, Edom, Ammon, Moab and all who live in the wilderness in distant places.
I see this as God telling us, the mortals in the 21st century, TO MOVE ON, GET OVER THE OT and EMBRACE JESUS and LOVE GOD, LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR..
See what I mean.... thank you Mystic for proving my point !! Finn is not lying and you have no right to speak to him in that way.
Jesus would never speak to other's the way you do regardless what they believed. He always turned the other cheek and walked away !!
Anger is a fruit of the accuser. What I said is the truth, and if someone wants to prove it wrong, they can do so, but an outburst of anger is nothing but an attack on the massager, and a form of deflection.
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Finn_Jarber: According to universalism nothing is required. No need to love God or your neighbor. Spend your life raping and pillaging, and then hook up with the saints in heaven.
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You have been told repeatedly that this is NOT TRUE, Finn! Why do you persist in spreading this LIE!. There is no love in spreading lies about others, Finn.
It is not a lie, it is what universalism boils down to. I have asked universalists if they expect to meet Hitler in heaven, and they said "of course we do".
If you disagree, please tell me who will NOT hook up with the saints in heaven?
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God said in the scripture: " If you want to boast, then boast that you understand me."
The Universalism of uniting all the religions, basing on my observations, it is dangerous. This is not Catholicism. I really don't like the Chinese war gods with their priests get into the Stream. There was a report in Taiwan, where the traditional Chinese religions thrived on, a temple of god's followers forced into the schoolyards to grab students to run before their god. So that says all.
i am really sorry. I came back to delete the last sentence(That says all.) of my post which is in the quotation now. Where had the edit option gone anyway?
So you see why I don't really "manifest" physically: I was kinda severe, right?
Sorry, sorry. You kids go play yourselves. Don't get bothered by me. I got to find my own life now. My sincerest regret of scaring the flocks.
It is not a lie, it is what universalism boils down to. I have asked universalists if they expect to meet Hitler in heaven, and they said "of course we do".
If you disagree, please tell me who will NOT hook up with the saints in heaven?
The people who remain as obdurate as you are as long as they remain as obdurate as you are.
I'm not snotty .. just tired of constantly repeating myself when you don't do your own homework.
Okay thank you twin.spin.
So you you REALLY REALLY believe all your sins, past, present and future were truly died for or you you still believe you must do penance or do things to keep your salvation or save yourself? My one brother told me that Jesus did 90% of what it takes to save you but you have to do 10% to save yourself. Do you agree with that?
And if you don't, if you truly believe God saved you and that you did not save yourself, then why are you against God saving the rest of mankind?
(I apologize for not being clear in that ALL PEOPLE - atheists being people, I assume - will be saved according to Universalism. )
Yes.
Ok. so, what's the advantage of believing in a particular god?
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Another thing, Christians believe God "willed" the universe into existence... so yeah willing and doing are the same when it comes to God.
Then the Problem of evil pops up again. If able, then not willing. if willing, then not able.
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Interesting. And I did not know Eusebius was a Universalist.
I'm not sure, but I do know he no longer subscribes to the idea of a Hell, as such.
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