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I have never known a bible inerrantist who claimed the bible was "just a tool". To them it is the Word of God, the infallible revelation from God to humankind, and, as such, has the authority OF God. That, for all intents and purposes, makes the bible equivalent to God, and not "just a tool".
This. Whatever they may say about how they regard the Bible, this attitude pervades everything they say, and the suborning of the Spirit TO the Bible is the inevitable result.
Oh, yeah. I should have guessed you would come up with books considered for inclusion in the Bible but left out for one reason or another.
I'll concede on a technicality even though I would have a very hard time believing that anybody would ever have even learned of those writings if not already familiar with the Bible itself.
You may be right. It was mainly just a point of interest. Why did you ignore the rest of my post? It provides a different perspective than you are basing your argument on, and one which I think other posters here are alluding to.
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But, as for me, I think your question is dependent on thinking that believing on Jesus (or believing on Christ) means believing that the Jesus narrative is literally true, rather than "spiritually" true. As I see it, many people believe some of the things that the Jesus narrative may communicate symbolically, who don't believe (or may not even be aware of) the Jesus narrative, or they may believe some of the teachings attributed to Jesus by the bible, without ever knowing the name Jesus, because they are universal truths.
It seems to me that some anti-Christians or anti-theists want to insist that an inerrant view of the bible and a fundamentalist exclusionary view of Christianity, is the only acceptable view because it is such an easy straw man to knock down.
Oooh, it is so good to have a "rep" go through. I simply have to remember to try it no matter how often the message comes up about spreading reputation!
You may be right. It was mainly just a point of interest. Why did you ignore the rest of my post? It provides a different perspective than you are basing your argument on, and one which I think other posters here are alluding to.
I only 'ignored' it because it wasn't pertinent to my very specific question .... the initial question jimmie asked.
No, I'm not purposely evading the point. Little children know Christ without the bible. Then religion comes along and messes them up with all sorts of lies. No one needs a bible to know right from wrong and good from evil because God has written his Word on the tablets of our hearts. Do you understand this?
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You're purposely evading the point. It ain't possible to know what Christ said without the Bible.
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I only 'ignored' it because it wasn't pertinent to my very specific question .... the initial question jimmie asked.
What you seem to be missing is that the original question and the response were not about Jesus, they were about Christ, and Christ is not limited to the life and ministry of Jesus,
I only 'ignored' it because it wasn't pertinent to my very specific question .... the initial question jimmie asked.
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What you seem to be missing is that the original question and the response were not about Jesus, they were about Christ, and Christ is not limited to the life and ministry of Jesus,
Would you like to rethink this?
Exactly. Only, those who insist (for their own purposes) that one cannot know (experience) the Jesus narrative without having heard it from the bible or without believing it as literally true, would not understand that.
What you seem to be missing is that the original question and the response were not about Jesus, they were about Christ, and Christ is not limited to the life and ministry of Jesus,
Would you like to rethink this?
It is not at all unusual for the names to be used interchangeably or together as Jesus Christ.
If it is, indeed, incorrect to do so, and you are correct that they are not referring to the same person, I will most definitely rethink it for times that accuracy matters.
short break for some research...............
I did some checking and find that some agree with you and some do not.
CARM, for instance, referred to fairly often by some on CD, doesn't.
What might the consensus of opinion be here ? (If indeed, anybody else is following this thread
It is not at all unusual for the names to be used interchangeably or together as Jesus Christ. If it is, indeed, incorrect to do so, and you are correct that they are not referring to the same person, I will most definitely rethink it for times that accuracy matters.
short break for some research...............
I did some checking and find that some agree with you and some do not.
CARM, for instance, referred to fairly often by some on CD, doesn't.
What might the consensus of opinion be here ? (If indeed, anybody else is following this thread
He didn't say it was incorrect. He just said it's not "limited to". And in the context of this conversation, that is the point that was being made.
He didn't say it was incorrect. He just said it's not "limited to". And in the context of this conversation, that is the point that was being made.
Thanks for saving me all that typing.....
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