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So while Jehovah's Witnesses do believe the Bible is the word of God and do try to follow it's instruction how is it that they are the ones as a few are accusing them that these are 'their laws' and 'their views'?
They are Bible views and laws. Again, the fight people have with Witnesses about homosexual acts is not really with the Witnesses but with the Bible.
Also about 'love'. Sex is not 'love'. I love many many people and many are attractive. I don't have sex with them to prove my love. I can control myself. Love isn't the issue the Bible has with homosexuality. It's the sexual acts. Yes, I know that the world has everyone believing that sex is how we show someone we really love them. That somehow sex and love are some tightly knit combo that can't be separated. That is completely false! Those that hid Jews, black people, mentally ill and Jehovah's Witnesses from the Nazis at great risk of their own lives, now that's love. But risking our relationship with God and our health for sex is not love. It's greed. Wanting to make another person 'ours' that doesn't belong to us is greediness. Denying ourselves every sexual desire our ol' heart wants is not hating ourselves or others.
The issue is following ones person feelings of lust and physical satisfaction rather than their devotion to God. It's also about using their God-given bodies unnaturally. It's the the misuse of the body. Because of these acts, why are people so surprised when they misuse their bodies a bunch of health problems mental turmoil arise. These ailments are not limited to homosexuals but to those that cheat on their spouses and those that have sex with many people. Homosexual acts are a misuse of the body just as having multiple sex partners other than your spouse is a misuse. These things are facts you can look them up on any medical website. Homosexual acts and sleeping with multiple partners of the opposite sex lead to all sorts of diseases. God wants to protect people from these things. That means following His Word the Bible. Why is it that when a person cheats on another it's called a horrible act and not an act of love? Because everyone knows when a person cheats on their spouse they can't be trusted to be faithful. They let their lower parts control their minds. Colossians 3:5 instructs us to control our bodies in the respect of our sexual desires.
And if we want the best life possible then yes, we do check the Bible to see if it approves of our lifestyles. Otherwise we are on our own and that motto of 'on our own' has failed for thousands of years. Every time the Israelites left the instruction in the Bible and of Jehovah following their own uncontrolled desires they suffered dearly. Yet people keep saying 'well maybe this time I do my own thing and be ok' and over time they find out that no it doesn't end up ok. Some people finally get it and some don't. Those that do, will not have to worry about losing God's friendship and all those risks.
Yep, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God with your whole, heart, soul, mind and strength, then love your neighbor as your self.
So love of God comes ahead of any love for another person. Loving God would prohibit and inhibit anyone from "falling in love" with and having sex with the same gender,since it is displeasing to God. It is like alcoholism or similar. It may be a part of the persons life and he/she loves it, but to be pleasing to God they quit drinking. Easy, nope, but if one pleases them self ahead of God, they can't please God. Pleasing God leads to genuine loving relationships with others in a way that makes God happy.
Yep, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God with your whole, heart, soul, mind and strength, then love your neighbor as your self.
So love of God comes ahead of any love for another person. Loving God would prohibit and inhibit anyone from "falling in love" with and having sex with the same gender,since it is displeasing to God. It is like alcoholism or similar. It may be a part of the persons life and he/she loves it, but to be pleasing to God they quit drinking. Easy, nope, but if one pleases them self ahead of God, they can't please God. Pleasing God leads to genuine loving relationships with others in a way that makes God happy.
Agreed. The simple way to put it is, Jehovah loves us enough that He wants to protect us. If we love Him then we understand what He is trying to do and do what He says. He is exactly like a loving Father. He doesn't give us the kind of good direction or the mostly good direction to happiness. He gives us the best direction to happiness. There is nothing better. This is a matter of faith. If a person believes in the Bible then there is a question that must be asked. Do we have faith that Jehovah gives the best route to happiness or does He not? That's it, people must start by answer that question for themselves. If they say yes then the are on the path to happiness. If they don't then they are on their own.
Agreed. The simple way to put it is, Jehovah loves us enough that He wants to protect us. If we love Him then we understand what He is trying to do and do what He says. He is exactly like a loving Father. He doesn't give us the kind of good direction or the mostly good direction to happiness. He gives us the best direction to happiness. There is nothing better. This is a matter of faith. If a person believes in the Bible then there is a question that must be asked. Do we have faith that Jehovah gives the best route to happiness or does He not? That's it, people must start by answer that question for themselves. If they say yes then the are on the path to happiness. If they don't then they are on their own.
NIV Isaiah 48:17 This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go.
18 If only you had paid attention to my commands, your peace would have been like a river, your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Many pay more attention to their desires and will not have true peace and will not be seen by God as Righteous. It is plain and simple.
JW's do not harass, insult, protest against or try to change laws about the LGBT community. JW's simply try to help people have the best relationship with God and His Son, they can.
NIV Isaiah 48:17 This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you what is best for you, who directs you in the way you should go.
18 If only you had paid attention to my commands, your peace would have been like a river, your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Many pay more attention to their desires and will not have true peace and will not be seen by God as Righteous. It is plain and simple.
JW's do not harass, insult, protest against or try to change laws about the LGBT community. JW's simply try to help people have the best relationship with God and His Son, they can.
Amen.
Which is why it's sad to see such horrible thread titles as this one has. They focus on the judgement but ignore the other option which is a path to happiness and life. Some want to hold on their practices so much that they are willing to down with them. As if no Witness has ever had to give up some unapproved practice for Jehovah....well I have news. I don't know a single faithful person that loves Jehovah that has not had to give up something that the Bible doesn't approve of. Not a single one. I also don't know of a single person that loves Jehovah give up an unapproved practice and didn't end up with a cleaner and happier life. This includes me too.
The scripture at Isaiah 48:17 is God inviting all of mankind to try Jehovah's way and if we don't have a blessing. I have never seen Jehovah let anyone down for those that have faith in them. Even under the harshest trials produced by Satan or men. Every time we stand up for Jehovah and do as He says under trial from others we give an answer for Jehovah that Satan is a liar!
Which is why it's sad to see such horrible thread titles as this one has. They focus on the judgement but ignore the other option which is a path to happiness and life. Some want to hold on their practices so much that they are willing to down with them. As if no Witness has ever had to give up some unapproved practice for Jehovah....well I have news. I don't know a single faithful person that loves Jehovah that has not had to give up something that the Bible doesn't approve of. Not a single one. I also don't know of a single person that loves Jehovah give up an unapproved practice and didn't end up with a cleaner and happier life. This includes me too.
The scripture at Isaiah 48:17 is God inviting all of mankind to try Jehovah's way and if we don't have a blessing. I have never seen Jehovah let anyone down for those that have faith in them. Even under the harshest trials produced by Satan or men. Every time we stand up for Jehovah and do as He says under trial from others we give an answer for Jehovah that Satan is a liar!
Yes, I have known two Gay women who put aside their relationships (not with each other) and have never been happier, as they have a far better relationship with God now.
Another friend knows a man in his congregation who was Gay, is single still and has the same desires he did, but avoids that lifestyle and is an Elder in his congregation.
Yes, I have known two Gay women who put aside their relationships (not with each other) and have never been happier, as they have a far better relationship with God now.
Another friend knows a man in his congregation who was Gay, is single still and has the same desires he did, but avoids that lifestyle and is an Elder in his congregation.
Yes, I have known two Gay women who put aside their relationships (not with each other) and have never been happier, as they have a far better relationship with God now.
Another friend knows a man in his congregation who was Gay, is single still and has the same desires he did, but avoids that lifestyle and is an Elder in his congregation.
It is what is more important to us, self or God.
Mark 8:35 "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and for the sake of the good news will save it."
Yes, I have known two Gay women who put aside their relationships (not with each other) and have never been happier, as they have a far better relationship with God now.
Another friend knows a man in his congregation who was Gay, is single still and has the same desires he did, but avoids that lifestyle and is an Elder in his congregation.
It is what is more important to us, self or God.
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Originally Posted by DewDropInn
Are they JW's?
A person can have kleptomania, homosexual feelings, etc etc but as long as they don't practice they are in favor with God and yes the can be Jehovah's Witnesses. Just because a person doesn't practice a sin doesn't mean the urge will completely disappear. But with God it can be kept to a very low roar. If they keep away from things that inflame the urge like pornographic material they are just making it worse for themselves. The same goes for all heterosexual people that have strong urges for the opposite sex. All of us can put ourselves in bad situations.
I like the saying, 'There are two wolves. Which one lives? The one you feed.'
Again, it's the act not the urge. If it was the urge no one would be in favor with God over any sin.
Something religious extremists seem incapable of doing.
Well, the video in the OP was not broadcast on TV. It was not advertised on any website. It was meant for practicing Jehovah's Witnesses on a starting direction on how to handle a child's curiosity about very adult themes without lying or misleading the child about what the Bible says. The Witnesses are only guilty that this information is free to everyone. Including those that take our business and make it everyone else's and adding sharp words like terror and hell. Note it was not a Witness that posted the video. Witnesses don't even believe in hellfire and terror is far from what we want people to feel. But we don't want them to be ignorant of the warnings in the Bible either. If we are asked what it says, we are obligated by Jehovah to show them what the Bible says without changing it. Then it is between the person and Jehovah as to how they will take the information. Even a child has that right if they are old enough to ask the question.
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