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More religious propaganda. The Bible was not written by GOD. NO proof that this entity even exists. I guess we'll find out who is right in time. These religious groups are all thinking that they are right and everyone else is wrong. I still believe that these religions should all pay their taxes like good citizens should. Religion is created by man, not God.
Ok, butI thought you were asking about how we know the Bible is closed and no additions or new Revelations could not occur. Maybe I misunderstood you.
Maybe we're both confused as to what the other one is saying. I was just saying that there is nowhere in the Bible where we're told, "Okay, this is God speaking, and you won't be hearing from me any more." At some point in the early history of "the Church" (at which point, I think you and I would agree, the Church that Jesus Christ himself had established had fallen into apostasy), human beings who were in a position to call the shots simply decided that God was done talking. Hence, they closed the canon. It wasn't at God's direction that they did so, since they apparently didn't have any kind of a statement from Him to that effect. It was more like, "Well, we haven't heard from God lately. Let's compile the books we have and call it a done deal." The only thing is that even after that happened, the canon changed considerably. Writings that were considered authoritative in the 2nd century weren't necessarily seen that way in the 7th, for instance.
I thought you were referring to The Book of Mormon being "another new covenant," which is not the case, and since that's not what this thread is about, I didn't want to go off in that direction. By the way, if you'll check back, near the very beginning of the thread, I took issue with the OP and said that his claim of was an unfounded exaggeration. I was sticking up for you guys, and for some reason you missed that.
The judgement is Not homosexuality in itself, but the practice of fornication -see Hebrews 13:4
Every single person is to abstain from fornication ( from the word porneia in the Greek )
In Scripture, God only recognizes scriptural marriage as being between man and woman - Gen. 2:24; Matt.19:5-6
We are nearing the millennial time when Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth, then Jesus will undo all human imperfections and there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
In the meantime, we are to adjust oneself to God's moral standards by abstaining from fornication ( porneia )
we are nearing us making the next life form. But what is funny is it isnt "us", its the universe. We really are just smart protiens doing what protiens do. The patters are not that random and we can make some reasoable predictions. They are not random enough that we can say it is more reasonable that this part of the universe is "life" than to claim to even claim 'no proof" anymore. But "its" not omni dude-ish.
fundiez need it to be different than what "it" is. The fundie needs his/her personal emotional need to be the truth. Like a great man once said, 'the longer the post the less truth in it'. for the most part thats right.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses have shared a creepy cartoon lesson for children that is aimed at showing them how to reject same-sex marriage and convert homosexuals, leading them to a path of salvation.
In the bizarre video, the cartoon girl is looking at her classmate’s drawings of their families and spies a drawing with two moms. She brings it up to her cartoon mother when she gets home and mom breaks it down for her—those people are going to hell.
It's disappointing to see more of the same on these threads and that is disseminating misinformation about JWs and taking pot shots which is different than having honest disagreements about doctrinal issues or practices. Certainly one should ask what is the motivation behind such posts. I previously posted on another thread started by the OP that JWs do NOT believe in hell.
"Personally, I don’t agree with the Jehovah’s Witness stand on various issues. So after listening to their message, I don’t join. No one has to be a Jehovah’s Witness, just as no one has to be Catholic or Mormon or Baptist. But we all have to be given the freedom to live our lives as we see fit—as long as we respect each other’s right to live differently and do no harm. Jehovah’s Witnesses offer a good example of how fundamentalist religion can remain true to itself while peacefully co-existing with a progressive society. It is how America is supposed to work. "
"Jehovah’s Witnesses are religiously conservative for sure: if you are a member, you can’t be openly gay, you can’t get an abortion and women can’t serve as religious leaders. These doctrinal stands aren’t unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses—many religions take the same positions. But what makes Jehovah’s Witnesses different from other religions is that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t attempt to politically legislate their beliefs for everyone."
Enter Jehovah’s Witnesses: a case study in how "fundamentalist" religion can peacefully co-exist with civic society. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses are so unpopular and misunderstood, they had to fight for the right to live as they choose. The cases won by Jehovah’s Witnesses in the U.S. Supreme Court between the 1930s and 1950s set the precedent upon which others would litigate their own civil rights cases—groups Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t necessarily agree with. Yet Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t begrudge those who hold differing worldviews. They acknowledge that a right is not a right unless it belongs to everyone
It's disappointing to see more of the same on these threads and that is disseminating misinformation about JWs and taking pot shots which is different than having honest disagreements about doctrinal issues or practices. Certainly one should ask what is the motivation behind such posts. I previously posted on another thread started by the OP that JWs do NOT believe in hell.
"Personally, I don’t agree with the Jehovah’s Witness stand on various issues. So after listening to their message, I don’t join. No one has to be a Jehovah’s Witness, just as no one has to be Catholic or Mormon or Baptist. But we all have to be given the freedom to live our lives as we see fit—as long as we respect each other’s right to live differently and do no harm. Jehovah’s Witnesses offer a good example of how fundamentalist religion can remain true to itself while peacefully co-existing with a progressive society. It is how America is supposed to work. "
"Jehovah’s Witnesses are religiously conservative for sure: if you are a member, you can’t be openly gay, you can’t get an abortion and women can’t serve as religious leaders. These doctrinal stands aren’t unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses—many religions take the same positions. But what makes Jehovah’s Witnesses different from other religions is that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t attempt to politically legislate their beliefs for everyone."
Enter Jehovah’s Witnesses: a case study in how "fundamentalist" religion can peacefully co-exist with civic society. Because Jehovah’s Witnesses are so unpopular and misunderstood, they had to fight for the right to live as they choose. The cases won by Jehovah’s Witnesses in the U.S. Supreme Court between the 1930s and 1950s set the precedent upon which others would litigate their own civil rights cases—groups Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t necessarily agree with. Yet Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t begrudge those who hold differing worldviews. They acknowledge that a right is not a right unless it belongs to everyone
It is simply POINTING out that doctrine, and IT IS USED BY ALL CULTS, is manipulated by LEADERSHIP, handed down to sheeple, told to children who in turn present it to their friends at "school" that their loved ones are heading to ELSEWHERE and it will NOT be paradise.
90% of children, at least AMERIKKKAN children understand that if one is not heading for PARADISE later, it has to be HELL or some form of hell. What child wants to hear their parents are not going to be in paradise because of who they are?
So in reality -- this video is CREEPY on at least THREE points--
1. PEOPLE who do not agree with a twisted view of the bible will not make it to PARADISE (so what is the alternative?)
2. AMERIKKKA needs RELIGION and CULTISTS in SCHOOLS to spread the TRUTH about a VENGEFUL, HATEFUL and JEALOUS gittb...
3. Religious SHARIA LAWS are good, so long as they are based on YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
It is simply POINTING out that doctrine, and IT IS USED BY ALL CULTS, is manipulated by LEADERSHIP, handed down to sheeple, told to children who in turn present it to their friends at "school" that their loved ones are heading to ELSEWHERE and it will NOT be paradise.
90% of children, at least AMERIKKKAN children understand that if one is not heading for PARADISE later, it has to be HELL or some form of hell. What child wants to hear their parents are not going to be in paradise because of who they are?
So in reality -- this video is CREEPY on at least THREE points--
1. PEOPLE who do not agree with a twisted view of the bible will not make it to PARADISE (so what is the alternative?)
2. AMERIKKKA needs RELIGION and CULTISTS in SCHOOLS to spread the TRUTH about a VENGEFUL, HATEFUL and JEALOUS gittb...
3. Religious SHARIA LAWS are good, so long as they are based on YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
Cults, hell, and now Sharia?
The video is age appropriate and doesn't incline the child to hate or debate the lifestyle choices of a classmates parents. It's a sensitive issue and I think this video is honest in teaching children that not everyone will have the same thinking (that's reality), let God's standards guide you (Its why Jesus said the most important commandment is to love God with your whole heart, strength, and mind-Matthew 22:36-40) yet focus on the positive (that's not hate). the focus is on conveying the good news of God's Kingdom for younger audiences (just like Jesus directed his followers to do in Matthew 24:14) to everyone. That's following the second greatest commandment and that is loving your neighbor as yourself despite the differences that exist (read about the Good Samaritan and get the point. There's a reason why Jesus chose a Jew and a Samaritan in the illustration).
"if you believe in it, it is a religion or perhaps 'the' religion;
and if you do not care one way or another about it, it is a sect;
but if you fear and hate it, it is a cult." Leo Pfeffer. A humorous quotation but one that is uncomfortably close to the truth.
However, as Paul reminded Christians... don't debate (I'm a work in progress in that respect). There comes a time when a discussion of differences holds no value. Thank you for making that clear.
However, as Paul reminded Christians... don't debate (I'm a work in progress in that respect). There comes a time when a discussion of differences holds no value. Thank you for making that clear.
Indeed. Note how they portray the content as 'our' view. As if we pulled this our from our own heads. Yet it all comes from the Bible. Romans 1:26, 27 states God's point of view. Witnesses didn't invent the view of homosexual acts as unrighteous. We can't claim that we are the source. But somehow fingers get pointed at us like we are. Look at the word's used in the post, "your beliefs" and "your laws". Jehovah's Witnesses can't take the credit for what God has written in the Bible. Their fight really is not with us but with the Bible, God's Word. If they will not listen to the Bible then you're correct, there really is little if any value in a discussion about what is true.
The video points out a person must have a change how they act and must be able to control themselves just as with any other sin. No one that practices unrighteous acts will be allowed to live forever. A person that practices being a thief is not better or worse than a person that practices fornication with same sex or opposite sex for that matter. People will have to make an honest effort to leave these acts behind in this system of things. They are not going to have worse lives because they stopped these acts. Jehovah knows what is best. Again, God knowing what is best for mankind is not a JW invented idea. To say that a person who disobeys the Bible is better off is not from God. This is from Satan. Satan plays both sides. Makes us feel bad for not giving into our lust and then once we do give in he then shames us, threatens us with horrible ideas such as eternal fire. There is no winning with Satan's views. Only following God's direction will bring any kind of peace. Will it save people from ridicule? Nope. Satan will still get people to speak abusively about a person that is trying to follow God's Word, the Bible. 1 Peter 4:4 says how those that stop their bad conduct will be treated, "They are puzzled that you do not continue running with them in the same decadent course of debauchery, so they speak abusively of you." However, with Jehovah's help a person can endure it. 1 Cor 10:13 says, "No temptation has come upon you except what is common to men. But God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear, but along with the temptation he will also make the way out so that you may be able to endure it."
“If, when you are doing good and you suffer, you endure it, this is a thing agreeable with God.”— 1 Peter 2:20
The Bible doesn't say turning away from old lifestyles would be easy but Jehovah's Word does say if you do you will be 'agreeable with God'. Again, not JW words. This comes from the Bible.
Being an Ex jw, I can say their videos are bold and shocking. I'll admit they have the gonads to tell it like it is...sometimes.
As much of a dangerous cult I believe the jw religion is, I am forced to agree with the above poster at least on this issue, a person cannot be practising sex with a person of their own gender and also call themselves a Christian. One cancels out the other according to the Christian bible.
Btw 2timothy316, do you count your posts on these forums as field service time?
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