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Don't be obtuse, Men who lust after each other as with women, its cut and dry man. If you want to be gay and I assume you are homosexual at the level of twisting you are doing, just be gay and stop trying to make the bible say two men having sex is fine. Its absolutely not as far as the bible goes. Homosexual perversion in the bibles eyes is a redundant thing. Homosexuality as far as the bible goes is in and of itself perversion.
Joe, homosexuality is a sin, that we agree on. I was debunking the Bible twister's contention.
moonbeam33 wrote: "The mere state of being homosexual is not a sin."
If the homosexual person is born again, washed in the blood of Jesus, then he or she will have God's grace to resist the sin of engaging in homosexual acts. The temptation may still be there, but God's grace is sufficient to overcome it.
You could say the same thing about heterosexual people, and yet I know many born again straight people who have committed adultery and had sex outside of marriage. Why do they get a pass?
That is a theological argument and some religions do not believe in once saved. The fact is the bible condemns homosexuality. Just because they do not use the word which is a modern word for men having sex with men means nothing.
True the bible does not speak of homosexuality much and never uses the word homosexual no surprise there it did not exist at the time, but when it does talk about it, it condemns it in the highest fashion.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Footnotes:
1 Corinthians 6:9 The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts.
Of course homosexuality existed at the time. It has always existed. It has been shoved into secret by many cultures and for thousands of years, but it has existed.
Can you or can you not admit that the state of being a gay person is not a sin? Can you or can you not admit that the bible condemns sexual relations out of marriage regardless of who is having them? We all know adulterers - your quote above is pretty clear about them. Where is the constant condemnation of them in the church, especially when they are sitting in the pews (if not the pulpit)?
The bible is clear on the subject. Its not OK to be gay.
The Bible says absolutely nothing about being gay. The debate stems around active gay relationships, and despite what most uneducated bible thumpers think, the subject is not clear cut, nor is it a particularly discussed topic in the Bible compared to other issues.
God blessed King David with many women, but no men. Matter of fact, there isn't one case in the Bible of a homosexual relationship that God blessed, endorsed and/or approved of. Zero. The debate is over.
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that's of course if it is a heavily edited and translated text from a wide variety of original sources to such a degree that one isn't able to have access to a source that comes from a 1st hand or first generation account.
It is. We know this. That is a historical fact, not an opinion. And we don't have first hand accounts. We have re-tellings of what we're told were first hand accounts. And then they were translated, and translated again, and often again, after being rewritten multiple times by hand.
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Then another premise that results to a "nothing more" is the rejection of:
1) "all scripture is God breathed"
2) "my words will never pass away" ... which of course that is only possible if God's words are indeed written down, and not only written but inerrantly to the original speaker that breathed them.
Because of those two, either one trust's the Bible is God's inerrant Word or not ... and if not then at the very least expects continuing revelations and pronouncements.
It can't be the word of God, since no God has ever written anything. Only humans have. Of course the bible isn't a singular work, either.
You could say the same thing about heterosexual people, and yet I know many born again straight people who have committed adultery and had sex outside of marriage. Why do they get a pass?
You obviously don't know what it means to be born again. When you're born again, the works of the flesh cease, whether heterosexual or homosexual.
You're out of line; those people weren't into homosexual perversion.
Of course they were.
But fundies prefer to pretend otherwise.
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