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Old 10-31-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The Bible does not say any of those things.

What is the Spirit going to guide us into if it isn't the Scriptures?

If 2 Tim 3:16 is true, and every jot and tittle in the Bible is, then the Bible is our only source of truth from God.

We don't know the Spirit by the fruit of the Spirit, We know the Spirit when we believed teh gospel of our salvation and are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise(Eph 1:13).

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Yes, the Bible gives 3 instances of Jesus promising the Spirit as our guide. Agreed that it does not say anything about the Bible as guide.

What the Spirit guides IN (not into) is the Way, the life expressed in love that is our community with God and man. What is the point of guiding us into the Scriptures. The Spirit may USE scripture to help guide us in the Way.

How to interpret the Timothy reference is a question, but your statement presupposes infallability, just as the reference you are conflating with it about "jots and tittles" of the Law. Just as an example, if no "jot or tittle" has passed away, why are we not performing the sacrifices the Law requires? In the same way, you should examine the term that had the same meaning to the Greeks as "inspired" does to us, consider whether "which is inspired" should not be the reading and think about the difference between "useful" and "authority." The Bible is a major source of truth from God when that truth is affirmed by the Spirit.


We receive the Spirit in believing Christ's gospel, we know the operation of that Spirit by what it produces. Knowing by its "fruit" is not limited to false prophets, but should be the first question about any message or doctrine as well as the person.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Do you not have a Strong's Corcordance?
May I suggest that Strong's is not the best source for scholarly information and suggest that you see if you can access A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament? Expensive little buggars, but you may find it in some library, hopefully one you have easy access to. Be sure you understand the infoirmation on current (Koine) usage.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:37 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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ya, the new Strong's is especially hideous, i hear
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:40 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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when that truth is affirmed by the Spirit.[/b]
meaning that you may have found some truth that i can't get yet--i have much more to say to you, but...--which does not make it untrue, but it is "meat that offends," and so "satan" comes to take it away. huh.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: N. Fort Myers, FL
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May I suggest that Strong's is not the best source for scholarly information and suggest that you see if you can access A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament? Expensive little buggars, but you may find it in some library, hopefully one you have easy access to. Be sure you understand the infoirmation on current (Koine) usage.
online
New Testament Greek Lexicon
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New England
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You can come out of the darkness you are sitting in if you become a fundamentalists.
I would rather be publican or tax collector.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: New England
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Ps 119:105
Did i quote it right ?.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: New England
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Care to explain how something inspired by God can be fallible and errant?
Are you ever inspired ?.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: New England
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The Bible does not say any of those things.

What is the Spirit going to guide us into if it isn't the Scriptures?

If 2 Tim 3:16 is true, and every jot and tittle in the Bible is, then the Bible is our only source of truth from God.

We don't know the Spirit by the fruit of the Spirit, We know the Spirit when we believed teh gospel of our salvation and are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise(Eph 1:13).

For those who think we can lose our salvation, jump over to Eph 4:30>
So the Spirit of God gives us a bible and says "be a good lad and learn this book and you will know me"?.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: New England
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It is the baby food, iow. a baby has to learn the wrong way, so that the right way can be grasped. It is pointless to tell a toddler not to stick their hand in the fire, because they cannot understand why not until they experience "burn," and so as long as you do this, you are going to have to keep the baby on a leash (whoa) or something, give constant attention to baby, because the minute you turn your attention away, baby runs to fire, etc. Hmm. well ty, vm.
So God gave man the idea to invent a fire guard so the baby would not get burnt, but hang on.... if it's God's will we burn to learn, then the fire guard inventor is working against the will of God...

Get behind me fire guard inventor.... for you savor the things of men not God.
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