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Originally Posted by bbyrd009
i am guessing almost none of what we know right now has much of anything to do with truth, O,
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Speak for yourself. If God inspired all Scripture, all is the truth.
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and i am like pretty much right where you are, not much different where it matters. maybe just a tiny bit; and i could be flattering myself.
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If you don't accept 2 Tim 3:16 as the truth, we are not even close to each other.
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the Word is the Truth, and the Bible is not the Word, O; or then show me where the Bible says that, and that is what the link is for.
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First, no fundamentalist is going to say the Bible is the Word. The Bible says Jesus is the word. IMO, since "word" is singular, it make the whole Bible His word, which IMO, makes it as true and as reliable as He is.
IMO that is all I need to confirm that 2 Tim 3:16 is true. How ever I will you some bones to chew on over you morning coffee and you won't need a link. In all of these verses, keep in mind dthat the word is as described in Jn 1:1
I Pet 2:25 - But the
word of the Lord endures forever and this is the
word which was preached to you.
What is not true does not endure forever.
Ps 119:160 - The sum of Your is truth, and every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting.
IMO this points to Jesus, the Word being the way, the truth and the life. What is not true cannot result in life.
Jn 8:32 - and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
If we accept that obedience to the law is necessary for salvation and that our salvation is not secure forever, we are in bondage to the law. I Jn 5:13 says we can know we have eternal life. Obedience as the means of salvation, makes that verse untrue. Rom 6:14 says we are now under grace, not the law, which validates Eph 2:8 and Titus 3:5.
Ps 57:3b - God will sent forth His lovingkindness and His truth.
If what He sends forth is not the truth, it is not lovingkindness.
Isa 65:16 - Because he who is blessed in the earth will be blessed by the the
God of truth.
If what God says is not the truth, it will not bless
Ps 119:105 - Your
word is a lamp to me feet and a light to my path.
What is not true can't be a way to walk
There are many more but if these don't convince you all of God's word is inspired by Him, they wont either.
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Save you some time, go to Deut 30 10, or like 8-12, bc that is your best shot, and the arg is in the link. give it your very best shot ok, because it is you that needs it, not anybody else. don't even read my arg, or go to Deut 30 yet, go your own way, make your own. let's hear it.
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I don't need to know 2 Tim 3:16 is true, I accept that tt is, as all good fundamentalist do. is those who reject that verse who need to see the truth. I have never understood anyone claiming to be a Christian and not believe that verse is not 100% true.
Deut 30:10 - You need to start with the truth of where God looks for our obedience---not on the outward appearance but at the heart. I Sam 16:7.
Where do we treasure God's word do we will not sin against Him---in our heart(Ps 119:11)
Rom 7:22 - I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man(where the heart is).
Rom 7:25b ...with my mind I am serving the law of God---I am confessing that God's laws are true.
Walking in God's way not justify anyone(Gal 2:16). In fact if 2 Tim 3:16 is not true, you don't know if anything in the Bible is true.
One final bone to chew on---No one can keep God's laws good enough to become righteous. If salvation depends on complete or even partial obedience to the law, no one will go to heaven and Rev says there will be more in heaven than we can count---Rev 7:9
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