If we are born spiritually dead how can we be saved? (church, belief)

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

Thanks, speaking of Jesus walking on the sea was prophesied by the axe head, an axe head which did become a creature of the water, and did swim.


There is the water
There is the Tree
There is the metal.


But why did the axe head swim?




That was something that tortured me every day for years until I learned it.

Very nice Hannibal but how does that which relates to iron become a creature of the water ?. Please keep it brief .

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Very nice Hannibal but how does that which relates to iron become a creature of the water ?. Please keep it brief .

I don't do brief.


Thing is, I don't know if you can understand it without having your head filled with design.

I mean, I can tell you but proving is something else, I can tell Rbb1 why that axe head swam and she will understand it, and I will prove without a doubt why that metal swam, even a metal that became and actual creature of the waters, Just as Jesus became a creature of the water, flesh.


The axe head prophesied of Jesus just as the bones of Elisha did also.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

I don't do brief.


Thing is, I don't know if you can understand it without having your head filled with design.

I mean, I can tell you but proving is something else, I can tell Rbb1 why that axe head swam and she will understand it, and I will prove without a doubt why that metal swam, even a metal that became and actual creature of the waters, Just as Jesus became a creature of the water, flesh.


The axe head prophesied of Jesus just as the bones of Elisha did also.

Imagination existed before design. No imagination no design.... imagination is the begiining of dsign. Goddard.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Imagination existed before design. No imagination no design.... imagination is the begiining of dsign. Goddard.

The answer begins here, and is in here.


The design is there as it is with everything you are, it is what you are. You are the water, the blood and spirit and the spirit is a metal.



The Beginning
(John 1:1-5)

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The First Day: Light


3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The Second Day: Firmament


6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


The Third Day: Dry Ground


9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The Fourth Day: Sun, Moon, Stars


14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


The Fifth Day: Fish and Birds


20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land


24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.




26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

[Rbbi1]

Thank you and great blessings upon you. Yes, "she" understands it....Peace

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius

The answer begins here, and is in here.


The design is there as it is with everything you are, it is what you are. You are the water, the blood and spirit and the spirit is a metal.



The Beginning
(John 1:1-5)

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The First Day: Light


3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The Second Day: Firmament


6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


The Third Day: Dry Ground


9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.


The Fourth Day: Sun, Moon, Stars


14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


The Fifth Day: Fish and Birds


20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land


24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.




26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Thanks for being brief .

I am what i am because of imagination not design. As a man thinks in his heart so is he. In other words we are what we have created in our imagination.

See how easy it is when your're brief.

[Rbbi1]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Thanks for being brief .

I am what i am because of imagination not design. As a man thinks in his heart so is he. In other words we are what we have created in our imagination.

See how easy it is when your're brief.

Which is exactly the problem. We're not supposed to be what we have created in our imagination. Peace

[The Last Amalekite 1Sam15]

Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser

We all start out spiritually dead in the inherited sin of Adam......whether you think it's fair or not it's what the book says. So if we're "dead" spiritually with only our human spirit in operation how does God reach us for salvation?

All thoughts welcome.......back it with scripture of course......everything else is just opinion which isn't helpful...........

If there is a god it's already determined your final destination from the very beginning. You are just a cog in its "big plan".

Praise omnidude with a plan. It's plan may not make you happy no matter how much free will you think you have.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Thanks for being brief .

I am what i am because of imagination not design. As a man thinks in his heart so is he. In other words we are what we have created in our imagination.

See how easy it is when your're brief.

Well, we could always get some brewskies and speak of the great blue sky, sometimes in Kung Fu, the masters will not want to reveal all, especially if their kung Fu is great. Anyone can be a Kung Fu master in what they do in repetition, living it and breathing it as their life like nothing else matters but their kung Fu. They don't care about sleeping or doing anything else but to be a slave of their passion, this is my passion, my name is Joel, and my Kung Fu is great. Just poking ya dude, it don't matter.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Rbbi1

Which is exactly the problem. We're not supposed to be what we have created in our imagination. Peace

That depends on in your case how you view things, i cannot trust your judgement on the things unseen, because of your biases towards bible interpretation.. Whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. We are what we have been dwelling on. Stop lying to yourself believing your oppostIion on this forum is because we are not accepting of your "bible" beliefs.