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For a Christian, Jesus fully described and fully embodied and demonstrated the Holy spirit who IS God and that Spirit IS agape love for all, even His torturers and murderers. Read 1Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5 for those descriptions of the Spirit we are to use to test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. If you did that you would see and reject the many contradictions and inconsistencies in the "precepts and doctrines of men" you currently accept. No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
You cannot test the spirits without the Bible. Else it is based on your own understanding.
Jesus believed in the Scriptures and quoted it often. Yet you feel morally superior and know better than Jesus?
If you did that you would see and reject the many contradictions and inconsistencies in the "precepts and doctrines of men" you currently accept. No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
Which 'red letter' verses do you reject outright? 90% of them?
No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
No, you’re not. You do NOT accept all the words attributed to Jesus in scripture.
For a Christian, Jesus fully described and fully embodied and demonstrated the Holy spirit who IS God and that Spirit IS agape love for all, even His torturers and murderers. Read 1Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5 for those descriptions of the Spirit we are to use to test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. If you did that you would see and reject the many contradictions and inconsistencies in the "precepts and doctrines of men" you currently accept. No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
The way you speak about Scripture of yesteryears+++ You somehow interpret them to suit your OWN interpretations and obviously NOT EVOLVED since thousands of years ago! It's no different than ISSIL, who uses some scriptures from Koran to JUSTIFY their EXTREME/Mis-respresentation to suit their agenda!
In essence you are no different than ISSIL, who interpret's Koran of thousands of years ago and GUESS what that suggests??? EXTREME/Unevolved/Living in the PAST and ONLY wanted to HOLD those who refuse to BOW DOWN to HUMAN's by their edicts.. GET Butchered for NOT SUCCUMBING... Kind of describes Extreme Religiosities EXPOSED for past many years YEP.. EXIST'S in USA ++! !
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No, you’re not. You do NOT accept all the words attributed to Jesus in scripture.
It's abundantly clear extremists always cherry pick chapters adverse to spread their divisive/ judgement absolutism that from readings. JESUS threw all that out the window.. and preached to being open to change and evole and accept others etc etc..
Reading some absolutists ..even is 21st Century kind makes me shutter.. because they somehow never evolved nor adapted as Jesus taught us to do ... Just maybe, enough of those > who are so intolerant of evolvement .. will Die off.. because, today, younger generations are NOT kissing their rings to continue such Clap Trap !!
If someone denies main parts of the Bible that was fully inspired by the Holy Spirit, how can they know who God is? They must make a god based on their own understanding or desires. That breaks the 1st Commandment.
And, if they are worshiping a false god how can they be saved?
They are lost that do not believe the bible. One has to wonder why they even hang around here.
For a Christian, Jesus fully described and fully embodied and demonstrated the Holy spirit who IS God and that Spirit IS agape love for all, even His torturers and murderers. Read 1Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5 for those descriptions of the Spirit we are to use to test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. If you did that you would see and reject the many contradictions and inconsistencies in the "precepts and doctrines of men" you currently accept. No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
In all honesty, I believe that the "precepts and doctrines of men" would be those which are not supported by Scripture. Anything that we are to believe about Christ and the Gospel must agree with Scripture.
Jesus, Himself, appealed to the Scriptures for validation of the truth, particularly with regard to Himself.
He comments in John 5:39: "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me".
And in Luke 24 we read:
24 And certain of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said; but Him they did not see."
25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!
26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?"
27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
Also in Luke 24:
44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
I know that these are familiar passages, but ones that should not be dismissed in considering a topic such as this one. Jesus would often appeal to the Scriptures by saying, "it is written". The apostles also appealed to the Scriptures to establish truth. Another interesting verse is Acts 18:28, where we read: "for he [Appollos]vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ". In verse 24 he is referred to as "an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures".
And the Bereans would test the legitimacy of what they were taught by appealing to the Scriptures. We see in Acts 17:
10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed, and also not a few of the Greeks, prominent women as well as men.
13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came there also and stirred up the crowds.
There is so much more that could be shared, but I believe that this is enough to at least try to present this discussion fairly. It is wonderful to speak about God's love and grace, and how wonderful Christ is. But we do need an authority on which to base what we believe and why. To simply say that we trust Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the love of God and how we are to love one another is great. But we do not come to this type of understanding without an authoritative source on which to base these things. Otherwise, as someone has suggested, it tends to become something that we have created from our own, perhaps, wishful thinking.
I know that there are things found in the Bible that are not particularly appealing to us, by nature. But one absolutely beautiful truth is that everything we can know about the love of God and His mercy in saving an otherwise unworthy people is entirely found in the Bible. And the most glorious news we could possibly hear regarding God's saving grace through Jesus Christ is right there in Scripture. We would really have to honestly question any effort to ascertain Gospel truth through any means other than the Bible.
This does not mean that there might be those who (even deceitfully) mishandle the Bible. But this is man, not God, nor His Word. God speaks very, very highly of His Word, and how it "endures forever".
For a Christian, Jesus fully described and fully embodied and demonstrated the Holy spirit who IS God and that Spirit IS agape love for all, even His torturers and murderers. Read 1Cor 13, the Sermon on the Mount and Galatians 5 for those descriptions of the Spirit we are to use to test the spirit of everything claimed to be from God or Jesus. If you did that you would see and reject the many contradictions and inconsistencies in the "precepts and doctrines of men" you currently accept. No one is making up a God, we are following the God revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. You are following the one made up by the inconsistent and contradictory "precepts and doctrines of men."
What are you talking about?
Do you even know the poster you are addressing?
Yeesh, put the script down and read the Holy Scriptures.
How ungratfull is a generation that has the Word to read for themselves in the private comfort of their own home.
No, you’re not. You do NOT accept all the words attributed to Jesus in scripture.
But think about that. My former priest made a good point. He said to us, "an hour from now you will probably know the gist of what I said, but you will not be able to recall my exact words. The Bible is the same way. People wrote down what they remembered Jesus saying long after he said the words, and each one of them remembered what struck them most."
Again--and again and again--it is not about being able to quote the exact words. It goes deeper than that. It's about the meaning of the words.
But think about that. My former priest made a good point. He said to us, "an hour from now you will probably know the gist of what I said, but you will not be able to recall my exact words. The Bible is the same way. People wrote down what they remembered Jesus saying long after he said the words, and each one of them remembered what struck them most."
Again--and again and again--it is not about being able to quote the exact words. It goes deeper than that. It's about the meaning of the words.
You give the Spirit no credit.
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