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While legal, it would be wrong for Christians to use opioids if there is no justifiable need. While legal, it would be wrong for a Christian to be a subscriber to porn. The use of marijuana is a slippery slope argument for those who want a foot in both secular and Christian worlds, or as a source of recreational pleasure. If you want a buzz, take a rappelling course or zip line or paraglide - you can do bungee jumping or a free fall from an airplane with a partner.
The use of marijuana as a prescribed substance is outweighed by other substances that have fewer side effects. Marijuana is frequently sold with concentrated doses of THC (up to 30% when hydroponically grown for retail sale) where legal, and if secured on the street, cut with other materials of negligible benefit, if that can be seen. There are Christian prohibitions against the excess use of other substances, including alcohol and nicotine. I am hard pressed to find Christian justification for marijuana use as a recreational substance. It is not as harmless as chewing gum.
There are two hyperlinks that discuss the impact of marijuana consumption on users, for those seeking broader information:
While legal, it would be wrong for Christians to use opioids if there is no justifiable need. While legal, it would be wrong for a Christian to be a subscriber to porn. The use of marijuana is a slippery slope argument for those who want a foot in both secular and Christian worlds, or as a source of recreational pleasure. If you want a buzz, take a rappelling course or zip line or paraglide - you can do bungee jumping or a free fall from an airplane with a partner.
The use of marijuana as a prescribed substance is outweighed by other substances that have fewer side effects. Marijuana is frequently sold with concentrated doses of THC (up to 30% when hydroponically grown for retail sale) where legal, and if secured on the street, cut with other materials of negligible benefit, if that can be seen. There are Christian prohibitions against the excess use of other substances, including alcohol and nicotine. I am hard pressed to find Christian justification for marijuana use as a recreational substance. It is not as harmless as chewing gum.
There are two hyperlinks that discuss the impact of marijuana consumption on users, for those seeking broader information:
While legal, it would be wrong for Christians to use opioids if there is no justifiable need. While legal, it would be wrong for a Christian to be a subscriber to porn. The use of marijuana is a slippery slope argument for those who want a foot in both secular and Christian worlds, or as a source of recreational pleasure. If you want a buzz, take a rappelling course or zip line or paraglide - you can do bungee jumping or a free fall from an airplane with a partner.
The use of marijuana as a prescribed substance is outweighed by other substances that have fewer side effects. Marijuana is frequently sold with concentrated doses of THC (up to 30% when hydroponically grown for retail sale) where legal, and if secured on the street, cut with other materials of negligible benefit, if that can be seen. There are Christian prohibitions against the excess use of other substances, including alcohol and nicotine. I am hard pressed to find Christian justification for marijuana use as a recreational substance. It is not as harmless as chewing gum.
There are two hyperlinks that discuss the impact of marijuana consumption on users, for those seeking broader information:
While legal, it would be wrong for Christians to use opioids if there is no justifiable need. While legal, it would be wrong for a Christian to be a subscriber to porn. The use of marijuana is a slippery slope argument for those who want a foot in both secular and Christian worlds, or as a source of recreational pleasure. If you want a buzz, take a rappelling course or zip line or paraglide - you can do bungee jumping or a free fall from an airplane with a partner.
The use of marijuana as a prescribed substance is outweighed by other substances that have fewer side effects. Marijuana is frequently sold with concentrated doses of THC (up to 30% when hydroponically grown for retail sale) where legal, and if secured on the street, cut with other materials of negligible benefit, if that can be seen. There are Christian prohibitions against the excess use of other substances, including alcohol and nicotine. I am hard pressed to find Christian justification for marijuana use as a recreational substance. It is not as harmless as chewing gum.
There are two hyperlinks that discuss the impact of marijuana consumption on users, for those seeking broader information:
Neither is smoking or drinking. Why don't you ask your Congressional representatives to ban those substances. Both are far more deadly than cannabis consumption. For that matter, why not lobby to save 40,000 lives a year that die from taking drug company opioids---the companies that lobby congress to advertise products whose known dangerous side effects often take more time to explain than the "benefits" of the drug?
Truth of the matter is the prohibition time in America was one of the most violent and cruel times in the country. And it didn't stop drinking. Rich folks always had a hideout that they could use for their drunken orgies while they paid police officers to look the other way.
There are far fewer incidents caused by cannabis than caused by alcohol. As an old, retired insurance guy I can tell you that the worst time to be on the road is Friday and Saturday nights. At least ten percent of all drivers have imbibed enough alcohol to impair their driving ability whether or not they are drunk.
And I've studied Scripture in a scholarly fashion for over fifty years. Nowhere does it say a word about nicotine. At the same time everyone should use good sense. It makes good sense not to drink to excess and not to smoke at all. Both my parents died indirectly of one to two packs a day of cigarettes for over 45 years. So did my mother-in-law, and she was a preacher's wife.
But then I lived in Kentucky where our Baptist College was denied a cigarette machine on campus because of a local big church pastor. The following week my roommate (editor of the school paper) took photos of deacons and other members of the church standing on the front steps between the columns smoking and gossiping. How hypocritical do we wish to be?
I used to have a single drink each night at bedtime, but after my son became an alcoholic (recovering now), I quit it all together. I take cannabis for pain relief of the two ruptured discs in my back. Tried surgery three times with no success.
Never in my life have I been "drunk on wine, wherein is excess." And with the edible cannabis I use I got high once before I figured out the right dose. And there are different kinds of cannabis. Sativa is the kind that is mind altering. Indica is more body relaxing --- and that's what I use.
Here in Colorado there are no "high" doses of cannabis. The stores are strictly regulated to have no more than 10mg of THC in each edible--cookie, gummy bear, or even pills. It takes about 40mg to truly get high. The most I've had was 30mg early on when I was trying to find the correct dose. Now I never go beyond 5 - 10 mg of THC in a pill. And I skip a day or two every few days in order to lessen the build up of resistance in my system which would then demand more.
My point is---each person is responsible to control their own intake of alcohol, cannabis, or nicotine. There will always be some who won't. But that didn't stop our government from first outlawing drinking in 1920 and then reversing itself in 1933 when they saw what a mess they had made of the country--without really stopping it.
I moved back to Kentucky for a short time last year and the young man who came to install our cable told me he had been to Colorado and got some of the "good stuff." Kentucky allows no use of cannabis for either recreational or medical necessity. While I worked in insurance, including farm owners insurance, tobacco was the highest yielding crop. But illegal cannabis production was second. When inspecting a farm, I was often told "don't wander off into the field on the right, you might get stuck in the mud." Which was a nice way of saying "you'll be buried in that mud if you see my pot plants."
Bottom line is---cannabis has been around since my teenage days in the sixties. But I never touched the stuff then, nor in the Marine Corps in Vietnam where it was readily available. But I do now, and with good reason. More than that--it has been illegal everywhere until the past few years. But making it illegal and throwing people in jail, has not curtailed its use.
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Newsflash: children and teens already have access to the drug and are using it at increasingly high rates despite the prohibition of its sale, consumption, and production. Since 2002, a plurality of teens surveyed by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse reported that marijuana is easier for them to buy than beer, with 25 percent of teens saying that they could access marijuana within an hour. Just as the current laws have not stopped adults from consuming marijuana, they have not stopped children or teens from smoking as well.
So if you can't stop it, tax it. The high tax rate on tobacco has finally started working and smoking nicotine has declined significantly thereby mitigating the rising cost of healthcare.
If you want to be concerned about a "sin" in the lives of many Christians, why not point out how many overweight Christians there are, including pastors, their wives, and me. I have absolutely no GOOD excuse for that, and I won't use "my back impairs me from getting enough exercise." It apparently doesn't impair me from stuffing a second hamburger in my mouth!
Neither is smoking or drinking. Why don't you ask your Congressional representatives to ban those substances. Both are far more deadly than cannabis consumption. For that matter, why not lobby to save 40,000 lives a year that die from taking drug company opioids---the companies that lobby congress to advertise products whose known dangerous side effects often take more time to explain than the "benefits" of the drug?
Truth of the matter is the prohibition time in America was one of the most violent and cruel times in the country. And it didn't stop drinking. Rich folks always had a hideout that they could use for their drunken orgies while they paid police officers to look the other way.
There are far fewer incidents caused by cannabis than caused by alcohol. As an old, retired insurance guy I can tell you that the worst time to be on the road is Friday and Saturday nights. At least ten percent of all drivers have imbibed enough alcohol to impair their driving ability whether or not they are drunk.
And I've studied Scripture in a scholarly fashion for over fifty years. Nowhere does it say a word about nicotine. At the same time everyone should use good sense. It makes good sense not to drink to excess and not to smoke at all. Both my parents died indirectly of one to two packs a day of cigarettes for over 45 years. So did my mother-in-law, and she was a preacher's wife.
But then I lived in Kentucky where our Baptist College was denied a cigarette machine on campus because of a local big church pastor. The following week my roommate (editor of the school paper) took photos of deacons and other members of the church standing on the front steps between the columns smoking and gossiping. How hypocritical do we wish to be?
I used to have a single drink each night at bedtime, but after my son became an alcoholic (recovering now), I quit it all together. I take cannabis for pain relief of the two ruptured discs in my back. Tried surgery three times with no success.
Never in my life have I been "drunk on wine, wherein is excess." And with the edible cannabis I use I got high once before I figured out the right dose. And there are different kinds of cannabis. Sativa is the kind that is mind altering. Indica is more body relaxing --- and that's what I use.
Here in Colorado there are no "high" doses of cannabis. The stores are strictly regulated to have no more than 10mg of THC in each edible--cookie, gummy bear, or even pills. It takes about 40mg to truly get high. The most I've had was 30mg early on when I was trying to find the correct dose. Now I never go beyond 5 - 10 mg of THC in a pill. And I skip a day or two every few days in order to lessen the build up of resistance in my system which would then demand more.
My point is---each person is responsible to control their own intake of alcohol, cannabis, or nicotine. There will always be some who won't. But that didn't stop our government from first outlawing drinking in 1920 and then reversing itself in 1933 when they saw what a mess they had made of the country--without really stopping it.
I moved back to Kentucky for a short time last year and the young man who came to install our cable told me he had been to Colorado and got some of the "good stuff." Kentucky allows no use of cannabis for either recreational or medical necessity. While I worked in insurance, including farm owners insurance, tobacco was the highest yielding crop. But illegal cannabis production was second. When inspecting a farm, I was often told "don't wander off into the field on the right, you might get stuck in the mud." Which was a nice way of saying "you'll be buried in that mud if you see my pot plants."
Bottom line is---cannabis has been around since my teenage days in the sixties. But I never touched the stuff then, nor in the Marine Corps in Vietnam where it was readily available. But I do now, and with good reason. More than that--it has been illegal everywhere until the past few years. But making it illegal and throwing people in jail, has not curtailed its use.
So if you can't stop it, tax it. The high tax rate on tobacco has finally started working and smoking nicotine has declined significantly thereby mitigating the rising cost of healthcare.
If you want to be concerned about a "sin" in the lives of many Christians, why not point out how many overweight Christians there are, including pastors, their wives, and me. I have absolutely no GOOD excuse for that, and I won't use "my back impairs me from getting enough exercise." It apparently doesn't impair me from stuffing a second hamburger in my mouth!
Dude, you overthought this - you are mixing issues between church/G-d and the state. Ban, jail, tax, etc. were not part of my thesis. This is about Christian beliefs on the topic, and you quoted me wholesale in your admixture on your experiences in the insurance industry, gossip, graft, military experience, weight loss, moderation, Prohibition, and what the word says about nicotine use. It is humorously virulent. This is a discussion of what a Christian's position should be on marijuana use. There is Christianity (which a greater part of the population identifies with), dedication, holy living, and sacrificing as Christ did, and as Paul and the other apostles lived. If we want to get back to 1st century beliefs in quoting the scripture, those are the individuals whose lives I reference.
But you expressed yourself adequately, as a proponent of the substance. And I salute you, grateful for you, to fight in a war and for the rights of those in our country who are presently given liberties to stand on both sides of the fence. I give you wide berth; carry on. You may be proving my point in multiple paragraphs and ways in better fashion than I ever will.
I can't wait to have this discussion only after everyone's has been saved or not>>>
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