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So you didn't go back and read the posts, then? I was making a point about a specific thing that someone said. Finn said that "many people" had called out Jerwade for something. That is what my comment was about, Jeff. The "many people" that have (in this case have not) called out someone. So again, silent lurkers, those who don't participate, those in the "real world" have no bearing whatsoever on my post. So I urge you to go back and read the series of posts before commenting on it again.
And this "your side" thing again? So to use what MQ said, have you seen what "your side" says? Xuipa specifically? Or those crazy preachers calling for the death of gay people?
I didn't mention any business owners here buddy. I also never said my social circle proved anything. What I have said, is that the VAST majority of Christians that I know, have known, and have had conversations with, do not believe as you do. You really need to learn how to read AND comprehend what is being said, and stop making things up.
What was the "fact" that you posted? I clicked back through the linkbacks, but I must have missed that.
I guess you must have. What I said in #5561 is a fact.
Here is one of many examples.
This is the misrepresentation. He pulls the "ALL" out of the seat of his pants and pretends I had said it, although I never did.
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The only one equating things to ALL Evangelicals is you, so you can hide your Fundamentalist beliefs.
When it's pointed out, he lashes out with the 'disorder' nonsense.
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If you want to unravel your twisted, knitted, or woven words, which are misleading that's up to you. I have no explanation for why you do what it is you do, other than someone who has a Narcissistic personality disorder?
I have seen that happen more times than I can count.
And then we have the Warden, and his usual nonsense posters he considers insane.
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It’s pretty obvious from replies to your posts that no one cares what you think either—-except for the insane ones.
Show me even a staunch Christian couple that are both virginal on their wedding days these days. Rare for sure. So fornication is everywhere Xup.... even in the church.
So what did Jesus do on the cross about that? Who did he do it for? What power does sin have after the cross of Christ?
just because others are going to the wide road..... doesn't make it right... it just makes broken and hurting people the most common condition ..
but some are each others first and only mates( sometimes other than Porn for too many ) and still they will have the best intimacy spiritually and physically when in the Lord , because "a cord of three strands is not easily broken ".
and the others pay for that wide road to destruction.....
they pay with lack of true connection and lack/ or less true intimacy.... and with less "feelings " due to scar tissue ) than what could have been... and why he offers a completely new start at the real point of our salvation.
And you think being nasty, rude and making up lies about us is a much better testimony? We are not singling out homosexuals. Your SIDE is. This topic has by far become the most dominant one in this forum, and we are not the ones making most of the posts here. Your side just apparently needs a daily dose of making us a punching bag. Homosexuality is being teached to our children in school, it's on pretty much every tv show now, constantly thrown in our face. No other sin is being done that way so excuse us for saying something about it. Again, I only spoke up when your side made innocent Christian business owners a target. So much for the lie that SSM would have zero effect on Christians.
Christianity is not about evolving with the world. It is about a relationship with the Creator of the universe and resisting sin. Yet you want us to believe a lie that sin is good and not harmful. It is. I have posted clear evidence over and over showing the harms and you and your friends stubbornly refuse to acknowledge it. That's intellect dishonesty.
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I don't understand your need to come here constantly and comment. You post as much if not more than anyone. The topic is homosexuality and Christianity, so choosing to comment here is singling out homosexuality. You are doing it by commenting just as much as anyone.
You have a conviction that homosexuality is a sin no matter how the few scriptures that seem to say that on the surface have been dissected to show you they don't. So you can't come here with the common denominator that homosexuality in and of itself is a sin anymore than heterosexuality is a sin and expect that to be a ground floor of this discussion.
So labeling someone as a sinner and placing yourself in that seat of judgement will get you some backlash. You have to own that. The only place a Christian is called to judge sin and not receive some sort of backlash is by looking at the one in the mirror. Any other pointing of fingers with the "sinner" word is going to get some fingers pointing back. So accept that and live with it or move on... if this is that upsetting to you.
But something tells me you enjoy feeling as if you are persecuted. I don't think you are. But in your mind, there is something in that that scratches a religious itch. Boggles my mind.
I come here because of the ones that have been wounded by the church. Those that did not ask for a homosexual orientation and many times have done everything they knew to change that orientation, but to no avail. The option has been to either live a lie and try to fit in or take a completely atheistic approach and throw the whole of Christianity out the door. I am here to say to those, no. There is a place for you at the table.
It's a much better place to love than to judge. Trust me, have sat at both tables. The love table is better.
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If it was discrimination then the baker would have refused the sale to the gay couple asking for a cake for the straight wedding. Perfectly valid point. I realize that you will NEVER admit to being wrong about this probably due to some personal bias.
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Of course there are, there are folks in the bible belt (and other regions) that still hold to this view that sex is only for the marriage bed in practice, not just theory... but it is rarer and rarer. The family with the reality show on one of the cable networks.... Duggar? They would espouse this. But what about the oldest son caught in the revealing of names on a prominent sex app? And further revelation that he had inappropriate contact with his siblings when a minor?
Yes, there are still pockets that promote a lifestyle void of all fornication, but often it is a veneer.
My point is not to prove that all people are sinners in need of a savior and who should depend on the cross of Jesus where all sin is dealt with, permanently and we shouldn't judge others for what we think are their shortcomings when we have just as many if not more than they.... WAIT. that IS the point.
Are you ignoring me? Jeff? Two posts I replied to you and you haven't answered. But you are posting an awful lot. I don't think I have been rude to you at all. Why are you ignoring me?
I don't know Jeff, what would you like to call us? What "term" is it that you think I got prickly about? "Your side"? That isn't a term for an individual, it is a group. The way you use it, is to lie and misrepresent other posters.
You haven't proven that I lied about anything. Not once. I would never trust anything you post because of your extreme bias. It's almost comical. Anything I write, you have to automatically argue against it. Course you'll deny that point too! haha
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Yet somehow those you know represent the majority? How does that work, Jeff? I made a comment based off of those that I know, have known, and have had conversations with. I have lived in some of the most Christian areas of our country, so I know, have known, and have had conversations with a large amount of Christians, and devout ones at that. So please, do explain how my experiences mean nothing, but yours somehow means everything. I'll wait for the answer to that as well.
It's simple. My experiences are with Christians who belong to the largest Christian denominations, denominations that have made their position clear that homosexuality is a sin.
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