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Old 03-19-2021, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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You still have said nothing I understand.

What do we agree upon?


What is the age of the universe?

Did evolution happen?
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Old 03-19-2021, 05:45 PM
 
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You still have said nothing I understand.

What do we agree upon?


What is the age of the universe?

Did evolution happen?
Evolution is built in into matter, conditions dictate form.
Science has its best guess - 14.5 or so Billion years, works for me.
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Old 03-19-2021, 05:52 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Evolution is built in into matter, conditions dictate form.
Science has its best guess - 14.5 or so Billion years, works for me.
That’s how I see it too
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Old 03-19-2021, 06:03 PM
 
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That’s how I see it too
Good
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Old 03-19-2021, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Evolution is built in into matter, conditions dictate form.
Science has its best guess - 14.5 or so Billion years, works for me.
Again, you lost me. You believe in evolution?
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Old 03-19-2021, 09:00 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Evolution is built in into matter, conditions dictate form.
Science has its best guess - 14.5 or so Billion years, works for me.
At the present time the age of the universe is estimated at approximately 13.8 billion years.

https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-...-universe.html
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Old 03-25-2021, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Townsville QLD Australia.
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At the present time the age of the universe is estimated at approximately 13.8 billion years.

https://www.space.com/24054-how-old-...-universe.html
Correct! And our solar system is about 4.6 billions years old, and the whole process began some 5 billion years ago, when the waters below, or the Solar nebula cloud was divided from the waters above, or the greater Galactic nebula cloud, in the creation of our Solar System, which first creation was the firmament on the second creative day, the great spherical cloud of Comets that surrounds our Solar system, which is called the Oort Cloud, and which, unlike the orbits of the planets and the Kuiper Belt, which are pretty flat like a disk, the Oort Cloud is a spherical shell surrounding everything in our solar system. It's like a bubble with a thick shell, this was followed by the creation of the planets, moons, asteroids etc, and last of all, the creation of our sun, and took only about 4 million years, and was completed about 4.6 billion years ago.
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Old 03-30-2021, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Bible is not a science book
Nether, was it a book of dictation. But it has been used to condemn others.
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Old 04-24-2021, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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DRob, as I've have tried to make clear when addressing this subject, God did not attempt to change the cosmology of the people who wrote the Bible. Instead, when communicating his word, he met the biblical writers where they were at in terms of their ideas about the world. The Bible does not address scientific matters. It doesn't address the true nature of the universe with regard to how it came to exist other than that God (Yahweh) was behind creation rather than the gods of the other ancient Near East peoples.

The Israelites had been exposed to the beliefs of the Egyptians and the Canaanites, and they needed to know that it was the Hebrew God who created the heavens and the earth, not the Egyptian or Canaanite gods. But the story in Genesis is simply a story to explain that it was Yahweh who is the Creator. The details in the story (six days of creation, Adam being made on the sixth day as a fully grown man, etc.) simply spoke to the Hebrews at a level which they could understand. God met them at their own level of understanding. A parent doesn't attempt to talk to a five year old in the same way that he would talk to another adult. Instead, he tries to talk to the child in ways the child can understand. And this is the case with God communicating with the ancient Hebrews. He met them where they were at in terms of their understanding. Neither the creation or flood stories are literally true or historical, but they do express theological truths.

I've said this before but will say it again . . . some of the earliest geologists were Christians. They wanted and expected to find geological evidence to verify the biblical account of the flood. Instead, what they found was that the geology of the earth did not support the biblical flood account. And they came to accept the evidence.

Today, it is only the extreme fundamentalist who believes that the flood story in Genesis actually happened. It didn't, and anyone who has a fair amount of geological knowledge knows that there is no way a single world wide flood could have shaped the earth's geological features.

One doesn't have to hold a wooden, overly literal view of the creation and flood stories to be faithful to God. And one doesn't have to leave his brain at the door in order to be a faithful Christian.
Whale fossils and other ocean fossils have been found on the tallest mountains in the world, Himalayas, Andes in South America. How would a whale get on top of a mountain 20,000 feet tall?
200 cultures all around the world all have the same story, just different small details about only a few people surviving a global flood. South Americans have stories like that, Asians, Africans sometimes. According to you its all just coincidence?
In North America, a man made well was discovered over 100 feet below the surface during a large excavation job some years ago. How would a man made well be covered with that much dirt?
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Old 04-24-2021, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, the Bible does not claim to be a science book. But many people try to read science into the Bible. The day-age and the GAP interpretations of the Genesis creation story are attempts to harmonize science and the Bible.



The pillars or foundations of the earth are mentioned in Psalm 104:5, Job 38:4, 2 Samuel 22:16, 1 Sam. 2:8, Psalm 75:3. These verses speak of a foundation of pillars which hold the earth in place.
The Hebrews circumcised on day 8 which is scientifically the day on which humans possess the thickest blood they will ever have 110%. That kept 1 in 200 babies bleeding to death today we have advanced medicine to do it on day 1
Thats science for you.
The FDA is based a lot on the clean and unclean animals in old testament. Scientifically backed all the way.
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