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Old 07-07-2021, 06:16 PM
 
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Protestants reject Virgin Mary and do you think that makes it different in how Catholics and Protestant view women?


PS: I don't mean to offend anyone. However, I am fascinated with this topic so I am hoping to have great discussions.


I don't think either view is better or worst. Instead, I believe they are different. One aspect I have noticed is that in Catholic religions people in general tend to be given respect. While in Protestant countries they have to "earn respect."

What I mean it seems that women in Catholic countries are "worshiped" or treated differently simply because they are women. Meanwhile, in Protestant and Nordic countries it seems that women have to "prove" their competence at a certain area.

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Old 07-07-2021, 06:56 PM
 
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Protestants don't "reject the Virgin Mary". They appreciate her as the mother of Jesus, which is plenty to celebrate. But they have no reason to elevate her any higher. There is no scripture indicating we need to pray to her, or venerate her, or deify her. That's a creation of the Catholic church. Let's be honest and recognize where these things started from.
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:46 PM
 
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Protestants don't "reject the Virgin Mary". They appreciate her as the mother of Jesus, which is plenty to celebrate. But they have no reason to elevate her any higher. There is no scripture indicating we need to pray to her, or venerate her, or deify her. That's a creation of the Catholic church. Let's be honest and recognize where these things started from.
There's nowhere in the scriptures saying that Jesus intended to break away from Judaism and create a new religion.
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:41 PM
 
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There's nowhere in the scriptures saying that Jesus intended to break away from Judaism and create a new religion.
Judaism rejected Jesus about as completely as you can - scourging and crucifixion - forcing a separation.
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Old 07-08-2021, 06:33 AM
 
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Judaism rejected Jesus about as completely as you can - scourging and crucifixion - forcing a separation.
The Romans, not the Jews, scourged and crucified Jesus. Judaism simply rejects the person of Jesus as the Moshiach because he did not fulfill the Halachic requirements.
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Old 07-08-2021, 08:54 AM
 
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Protestants don't "reject the Virgin Mary". They appreciate her as the mother of Jesus, which is plenty to celebrate. But they have no reason to elevate her any higher. There is no scripture indicating we need to pray to her, or venerate her, or deify her. That's a creation of the Catholic church. Let's be honest and recognize where these things started from.
Actually there is that verse '...from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed...',
therefore she is due honor/reverence (dulia) , and is not 'worshiped' (latria) as many accuse Catholics & the Eastern Church of,
maybe because English language cannot differentiate between dulia and latria??

And indeed it did start with the apostles,
and was even still recognized by the reformers including Martin Luther, Calvin, Zwinglui, Wesley,
their quotes here: - https://www.catholicbridge.com/catho...er-on-mary.php
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Old 07-08-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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There's nowhere in the scriptures saying that Jesus intended to break away from Judaism and create a new religion.
not religion, advanced type of consciousness based on one of Moses.
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Old 07-08-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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Protestants don't "reject the Virgin Mary". They appreciate her as the mother of Jesus, which is plenty to celebrate. But they have no reason to elevate her any higher. There is no scripture indicating we need to pray to her, or venerate her, or deify her. That's a creation of the Catholic church. Let's be honest and recognize where these things started from.
Church misinterpreted Paul, maybe willingly.
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Old 07-08-2021, 10:37 AM
 
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There's nowhere in the scriptures saying that Jesus intended to break away from Judaism and create a new religion.
The Gospels in entirety, and through Jesus' actions, showed that it was a new way. Of course it wasn't a "new religion" - that would be dumbing it down - but it was undeniably something new and different.

It certainly was a breaking away from Judaism. Just look at how the Jews responded to him. It wasn't a love fest and happy shiny continuation of Judaism. The Pharisees and Sadducees gave him constant trouble. Jews in general hated him, despised him, mocked him, and helped him to become crucified. And of course Judaism continues to have no desire for Jesus. The religion of Judaism and spirituality of Christianity are clearly not the same.
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Old 07-08-2021, 01:25 PM
 
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The Romans, not the Jews, scourged and crucified Jesus. Judaism simply rejects the person of Jesus as the Moshiach because he did not fulfill the Halachic requirements.
This kind of unnecessary avoidance of the truth is what has caused the majority of strife and discord among the Abrahamic religions. The Romans were the instrument but it was at the behest of the Judaic authorities who considered Him guilty under their laws and accused Him of claiming Kingship.

They did reject Him as the Moshiach because their carnal minds were looking for a worldly King, not a spiritual one. There might have been a very different history had they understood their Torah spiritually instead of carnally.
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