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So on the testing demons thread, I learned of "trickster Satan". This lead to an interesting Google search that has more to do with this thread than the other. I don't get everything they are saying but it leads to some really interesting conclusions about the divinity of Jesus prior to the 40 days fast. 40 as a symbol of transformation.
So on the testing demons thread, I learned of "trickster Satan". This lead to an interesting Google search that has more to do with this thread than the other. I don't get everything they are saying but it leads to some really interesting conclusions about the divinity of Jesus prior to the 40 days fast. 40 as a symbol of transformation.
I don’t agree with the conclusion of Elaine Pagels at the end about Johns gospel is an after-thought though,
It is the gospel that links the beginning/Genesis to the end Revelation
Matthew, Mark, Luke all have their own places, as well as the Acts of the Apostles, the epistles and the various letters and we need to take all into consideration
So on the testing demons thread, I learned of "trickster Satan". This lead to an interesting Google search that has more to do with this thread than the other. I don't get everything they are saying but it leads to some really interesting conclusions about the divinity of Jesus prior to the 40 days fast. 40 as a symbol of transformation.
So on the testing demons thread, I learned of "trickster Satan". This lead to an interesting Google search that has more to do with this thread than the other. I don't get everything they are saying but it leads to some really interesting conclusions about the divinity of Jesus prior to the 40 days fast. 40 as a symbol of transformation.
That the number 40 is often used symbolically in the Bible is hardly news. But that doesn't mean that Jesus' trial in the desert didn't happen. And it doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't/isn't God.
Here is a list of the usage of the number 40 in the Bible.
That the number 40 is often used symbolically in the Bible is hardly news. But that doesn't mean that Jesus' trial in the desert didn't happen. And it doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't/isn't God.
Here is a list of the usage of the number 40 in the Bible.
I don’t agree with the conclusion of Elaine Pagels at the end about Johns gospel is an after-thought though,
It is the gospel that links the beginning/Genesis to the end Revelation
Matthew, Mark, Luke all have their own places, as well as the Acts of the Apostles, the epistles and the various letters and we need to take all into consideration
I didn't understand this:
As T.S. Eliot wrote: “The last temptation is the greatest treason, to do the right thing for the wrong reason.”
What right thing for the wrong reasons is being referred to?
Edit: ooohhhh maybe serve God for a reward. Serving God would be the right thing but doing it for personal gain would be the wrong reasons.
How did He go 40 days without water in the desert if He was fully human as well as fully divine? It seems to me it would be more symbolic.
That's what I said. The number 40 is often used symbolically in the Bible. You don't need to understand Matthew 4:2 literally. Apparently the number 40, among other ways, is associated with trial, testing, judgment. It could just be understood as denoting a long period of time.
Then again, I just looked and it doesn't say that Jesus didn't drink water but only that he fasted. A person can go 30-40 days without eating. Jesus could have had access to water if there were sources available.
A herald announces Becket’s arrival. Becket is immediately reflective about his coming martyrdom, which he embraces, and which is understood to be a sign of his own selfishness—his fatal weakness. The tempters arrive, three of whom parallel the Temptations of Christ.
The first tempter offers the prospect of physical safety.
Take a friend's advice. Leave well alone,
Or your goose may be cooked and eaten to the bone.
The second offers power, riches, and fame in serving the King.
To set down the great, protect the poor,
Beneath the throne of God can man do more?
The third tempter suggests a coalition with the barons and a chance to resist the King.
For us, Church favour would be an advantage,
Blessing of Pope powerful protection
In the fight for liberty. You, my Lord,
In being with us, would fight a good stroke
Finally, a fourth tempter urges him to seek the glory of martyrdom.
You hold the keys of heaven and hell.
Power to bind and loose: bind, Thomas, bind,
King and bishop under your heel.
King, emperor, bishop, baron, king:
Becket responds to all of the tempters and specifically addresses the immoral suggestions of the fourth tempter at the end of the first act:
Now is my way clear, now is the meaning plain:
Temptation shall not come in this kind again.
The last temptation is the greatest treason:
To do the right deed for the wrong reason.
How did He go 40 days without water in the desert if He was fully human as well as fully divine? It seems to me it would be more symbolic.
The NT is extremely symbolic
There is a lot of symbolism and problems happen if you try to be too literal minded
We are to believe and have faith and not try to disprove or cut the Scriptures up into pieces, or upset others faith, I believe if we are responding to the “call” we are to understand the greater, broader, deeper meaning while also keeping our own simple childlike faith in the narratives that we initially got from our religious father/mothers, and our own original, personal belief/faith
That is being a Christian, not veering to the left or right, but keeping “balanced”
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
Rom 1:18**for revealed is the wrath of God from Heaven on all impiety and unrighteousness of men, holding down the truth in unrighteousness.
Rom 1:19**Because that which is known of God is revealed among them, for God revealed [it] to them,
Rom 1:20**for the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world, by the things made being understood, are plainly seen, both His eternal power and Godhead—to their being inexcusable;
Rom 1:21**because, having known God they did not glorify [Him] as God, nor gave thanks, but were made vain in their reasonings, and their unintelligent heart was darkened,
Rom 1:22**professing to be wise, they were made fools,
Rom 1:23**and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and of quadrupeds, and of reptiles.
Rom 1:24**For this reason also God gave them up, in the desires of their hearts, to uncleanness, to dishonor their bodies among themselves;
Rom 1:25**who changed the truth of God into the lie, and honored and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for all ages. Amen.
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