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Old 09-29-2021, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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They were just men...
I have to agree, this divine council of the "gods" is absurd, no matter how influential its been.
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Old 09-29-2021, 06:55 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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They were just men...
I'm curious. Do you believe that angels exist? I don't mean human messengers, but supernatural or extranatural beings of the spiritual realm.
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Old 09-29-2021, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm curious. Do you believe that angels exist? I don't mean human messengers, but supernatural or extranatural beings of the spiritual realm.
You mean, religious traditions regarding dualism - that of good and evil?
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Old 09-29-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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“ I and the Father are one.” John 10:30
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
“ …Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. …” John 14:9

1- One in purpose
2- An error of a capitol G God in the last line has caused much confusion. Neither the teachings of Jesus nor the facts back a trinity existing.
3- Jesus was the image( Collossians 1:15)of God. He lives to do his Fathers will(John 5:30) As do his followers-Matthew 7:21
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Old 09-29-2021, 03:39 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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You mean, religious traditions regarding dualism - that of good and evil?
I was quite clear. I asked Richard if he believes angels exist. The angels that are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures.
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Old 09-29-2021, 03:42 PM
 
Location: TEXAS
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1- One in purpose
2- An error of a capitol G God in the last line has caused much confusion. Neither the teachings of Jesus nor the facts back a trinity existing.
3- Jesus was the image( Collossians 1:15)of God. He lives to do his Fathers will(John 5:30) As do his followers-Matthew 7:21
1."Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me;"(Jn 14:11)
That's significantly more than just 'purpose' - but I see you don't believe Him.
Plus, the scripture doesn't say 'in purpose'. See how easily you just put that in!!

2.Jesus is not 'a god'; There IS only ONE God! NWT adds an 'a' that doesn't exist in any original scripture creating two gods - the confusion & insertion, again, is yours, own it.

3. No, Jesus IS the image of the invisible God, not 'was'.

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Old 09-29-2021, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm curious. Do you believe that angels exist? I don't mean human messengers, but supernatural or extranatural beings of the spiritual realm.
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You mean, religious traditions regarding dualism - that of good and evil?
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I was quite clear. I asked Richard if he believes angels exist. The angels that are mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures.
However, is that not also predicated on your traditional beliefs of dualism in cosmology or that two fundamental concepts exist (i.e., good and evil), which often oppose each other, much like that of superheroes and villains?
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:16 PM
 
Location: London, England
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I mean, he made it clear many times that he wasn't God..

Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)

"I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)

"I am going to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" (John 20:17)


Paul said "There is one mediator between God and men,- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)

And God himself said - "This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

He spelt out who he was to the High Priest-

https://youtu.be/VyecMVERpeM
Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel,


What do you see in the verse above?
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:19 PM
 
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However, is that not also predicated on your traditional beliefs of dualism in cosmology or that two fundamental concepts exist (i.e., good and evil), which often oppose each other, much like that of superheroes and villains?
If you don't believe that both good and evil exist, start listening to the news.
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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If you don't believe that both good and evil exist, start listening to the news.
You mean, the propensity of man (humanity) to do wicked or evil things?
On the contrary, I have actually dealt with wicked men in close combat.
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