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That was advice for a fairly unorganized "church" a couple thousand years ago, before there were any established churches. It was more of a premie church fairly back in prehistoric times.
Such judgments were subject to consideration by the elders of the church to weed out false accusations very common in squabbles.
Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
2 Corinthians 10:18
For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
Yes, my understanding is that eternal judgment is reserved for the Lord alone. I cannot tell what is going on in another person's heart so I have no ability to say that they're condemned and I am taking the place of the Lord in that (on the other hand, it goes that way for received into his grace; however, I believe it is a comfort to us who believe regarding another person who we perceived to believe upon the Lord to say that we trust they are reconciled to God in death. This is also what God has revealed to us and uses to comfort us in our losses in 2Thess).
Regarding temporal transgressions though, Jesus instructs us how to judge in I believe it is Matthew 18. My understanding regarding that is that it is to be done between our brothers and sisters in Jesus (and if possible, love is to cover a multitude of sins; yet, things like molestation and murder and stuff of course can't be overlooked).
Those that we do not know are in the church, we can recognize that they are acting in a way adverse to the commandments of our Lord but it is not our place to hold them accountable since they do not serve our Master, to our knowledge. Unless of course they do something criminal to us (or another), then we may wish to (or be required to, like in cases of child abuse) resort to governmental authority for justice (and these things done, even criminal, between brothers and sisters in Jesus unless it is a crime against the state then we should try to resolve these things amongst ourselves and not resort to the courts. I am thinking mainly of the example used in Corinthians about the minor legal issue--I want to say it involved finances--between two members of the church. In things such as murder they would need to be served justice by the state as well).
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
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Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
The only judgment WE are supposed to do is about OUR actions and attitudes. The righteousness we need to judge is OUR OWN, period!!!
Then we will be able to see clearly in order to be able to take the speck out of our brother's eye (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42)
The point of the teaching of Jesus about the beam in the eye, is not to remove it so you can judge your brother with a speck in his, but how dare you look at your brother's speck in his eye when you have a beam lodged in yours?
In all fairness, if there is any judging that should be done, it should be by the brother with the speck of dust in his eye, not the other way around. I can guarantee you as well, the brother with the speck of dust in his eye would not necessarily believe that it is his place to point out the beam in your eye.
The point of the teaching of Jesus about the beam in the eye, is not to remove it so you can judge your brother with a speck in his, but how dare you look at your brother's speck in his eye when you have a beam lodged in yours?
In all fairness, if there is any judging that should be done, it should be by the brother with the speck of dust in his eye, not the other way around. I can guarantee you as well, the brother with the speck of dust in his eye would not necessarily believe that it is his place to point out the beam in your eye.
The point of the teaching is that we ought to deal with the sin in our own lives before we will be able to effectively minister to others concerning repentance over sins.
The point of the teaching is that we ought to deal with the sin in our own lives before we will be able to effectively minister to others concerning repentance over sins.
It is absolutely absurd to think that God would ask you to remove a beam out of your own life just so that you can remove a speck of dust from your brothers eye.
It is absolutely absurd to think that God would ask you to remove a beam out of your own life just so that you can remove a speck of dust from your brothers eye.
It is absolutely absurd to think that God would ask you to remove a beam out of your own life just so that you can remove a speck of dust from your brothers eye.
Jesus says it must be done that way-Luke 6:42-- otherwise one cannot see clear enough to remove the speck from their brothers eye.
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