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I was stating an example..... Holy water has nothing to do with communion....
Water becomes "holy" when blessed.
Here's a better example that is related to communion: wine. Wine becomes the Blood of Christ when it is blessed or when the priest says the words at the altar reminding us what Jesus said to his disciples.
Nope. Wine is wine. It doesn’t become anything else just because words were uttered over it.
I was very hurt that she decided to announce her "word of knowledge" to a carful of my peers. She was not a close friend of mine at all.
I was very hurt by her actions. I did confront her with it. I really felt that she said it as she did because she wanted in some way to hurt me.
I am still not sure why. She was super spiritual and more interested in showing off her gifts, than in the feelings of others.
I did see this dynamic a bit during my brief time as a bemused observer of Charismatic Christians. It is entirely possible for dysfunctional people to use the gifts as a sort of "holy gaslighting" to manipulate or to harm others, and/or for self-aggrandizement.
I have a daughter who was hospitalized with a life threatening health issue when she was in middle school.. and at the time, our family was very involved in our church. During my kid's (long term) hospitalization, no one from our church ever called us, or visited her. It was obviously a trying time for us, and my distress was compounded by my congregation's absence.
This didn't weaken my belief in God, but it definitely black-pilled me on my specific church. They failed to support us, and it made me feel we had been part of a fraudulent community..
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
I think Compwiz said he was [once?] a [real-presence] Lutheran?
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Only time I've ever felt "hurt" was when a Catholic priest refused to give me the wafer during communion when my wife and I got married. We told him I was confirmed as a Lutheran and was not Catholic.
Still, I don't get his re:wedding communion issue as it should have been well known beforehand if it was a proper Catholic (his wife) wedding in the Catholic church this all would have been well discussed in going thru all the Catholic wedding preparation with the parish/priest before the wedding mass.
No, he said to eat (the bread) and drink (the wine) in remembrance of his body and blood that were soon to be sacrificed to allow us salvation through him.
He would never have us drinking his blood and eating his body, as savages.
We use our minds for remembrance, not our mouths and throats!
Nope. Wine is wine. It doesn’t become anything else just because words were uttered over it.
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Right, as though Jesus promoted cannibalism
No, he said to eat (the bread) and drink (the wine) in remembrance of his body and blood that were soon to be sacrificed to allow us salvation through him.
He would never have us drinking his blood and eating his body, as savages.
We use our minds for remembrance, not our mouths and throats!
Paul makes it pretty clear that it's more than just bread & wine:
1 Corinthians 11:29&30
No, he said to eat (the bread) and drink (the wine) in remembrance of his body and blood that was soon to be sacrificed to allow us salvation through him.
He would never have us drinking his blood and eating his body, as savages.
We use our minds for remembrance, not our mouths and throats!
But you don't believe that anyone outside yourself has spiritual authority, do you?
And you define "authority" as....?
There is such a thing as sharing ideas, beliefs and information. Someone saying "I believe this because..." or " I like this because..."
Such is the framework for all knowledge, education, academic growth even
Then there are church bullies, who call someone and say "Well I don't believe that so you cannot do it"
Let me be clear that the situation I referenced was of that nature.
Similarly, there was that ban in high school by our Baptist church at Halloween. The JayCees ran an awesome Haunted House in a vacant property across town. It was a fund raiser. Some blowhards at our church told us that we were not to go; I went anyway They got butt-hurt that I did not obey them, but in my opinion, they had no authority to say what I could or could not do. Opinion yes, right, no.
Such is something that is seen in Fundy churches. Fundy people can be notorious for lacking self love and self esteem. Kind of like Bullies. And the Churches are full of bullies, who seem to think that they have some right to dictate to others how others should live, worship and act. And I simply said then, and now, "No you don't."
Now do other people have spiritual beliefs or experiences? Well, obviously they do. But their choice ends with them, as no one gets to choose how others worship, celebrate or gather. It is a personal choice, and I do not choose to give into personal slavery OR bullies either one.
SO spiritual authority? If you are referring to have to follow some other persons religious or spiritual rules, then no NO one has that authority over anyone
If you are referring to expertise or scholarship, then yes I am willing to share and hear what others believe and say. But I will not tolerate someone calling saying "Oh we heard you were attending such and such event at such and such church and you cannot do that.." Not for one second.
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