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This post just demonstrated the absurdity of your stance. I don't need to be acceptable in your eyes, and it's ludicrous for you to assume that I do.
I said, from the very beginning, that God made me this way. It is not a "lifestyle," it is who I am, past, present, and future. It is not a "problem," it is my blessing. No one here could provide one compelling, logical argument against that, so that is your shortcoming, not mine.
You don't serve "God." You serve an ideology where anything you don't like can be ruled out and condemned. That's pathetic.
You will not decide what being a Christian is for me, and you will not speak for God in my life. That is not your prerogative./QUOTE]
See? Nothing in there about, "Guys, can you give me some insight as Christians to another Christian how to deal with this?" Instead, it's "I don't need your approval!" "Who are you people to judge me?!"
You're all nothing but a bunch of ignorant, bigoted %$#&'s!" I'll tell you something else, my friend: you're loving all this attention, probably sitting around the computer screen with several of your gay buddies laughing and enjoying yourselves as you relish answering each entry with a rapid-fire unChristian-like response. I've seen it too many times before on other boards--the guys who are deliberately divisive just to stir up trouble. You uncovered, Queen. We know your game now. I doubt anyone's got anything left wroth saying to say to you. Laugh it up, Queen. When this thread disappears tomorrow. You'll find another board to troll.
Thrillobyte
I feel your reply is showing more about yourself than you realise at the moment.
Jesus says love your enemies -- he is someone who is asking a question - if you need to give a reply I would suggest doing it honestly and nicely, if you think he is baiting you, if you rise to the bait he will have got what he wanted which is a reaction from you - if he is doing this just to bait us and doesn't get a reaction he will go away.
I don't sleep with women to begin with, so how is that even applicable to me? Also, how do you know they are talking about homosexual relations at all?
The verse states that you cannot sleep with a man as you would with a woman. That implies homosexuality; look up the verse in any Bible and see for yourself.
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You're right, it doesn't make any sense. Therefore, the Bible is being interpreted incorrectly, or it is not the official word of God. It's one or the other.
So you are saying that your interpretation is correct, but what scholars and theologians have been studying for nearly 2 millenia are incorrect in their interpretations. That is pretty drastic in of itself. What evidence in Scripture can you provide that condones the homosexual lifestyle?
And God doesn't make mistakes, right? Therefore, I see no reason to believe that God didn't make me this way, since God, the creator, is perfect and all-knowing.
The first thing you must do when you come to Jesus, who is the Son of God, is to deny yourself. Jesus denied Himself when He walked among men, and when He gave up His glory in Heaven so that people might be saved from God's wrath.
And when he [Jesus] had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. (Mark 8:34)
Also, there is deliverance for homosexuality, and any other sin, through the blood of Jesus.
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How can God automatically condemn what he has created in his image?
Unlike what you will hear from the false teaching of today, none of us are born in God's image. God has a holy image, but we were born in sin and iniquities; that is why we must be born again to see God's kingdom. Mankind lost God's image when Adam & Eve fell into sin.
And God doesn't make mistakes, right? Therefore, I see no reason to believe that God didn't make me this way, since God, the creator, is perfect and all-knowing. How can God automatically condemn what he has created in his image?
Queen
God does not make mistakes, that part is right , unfortunately it's us that make mistakes .
The verse states that you cannot sleep with a man as you would with a woman. That implies homosexuality; look up the verse in any Bible and see for yourself.
The implication of "homosexuality" is an interpretation taken out of context of the original Hebrew and the historical cultural/religious practices of the time.
If anyone here had taken the time to research the verse in context (directly between two verses about pagan idolatrous worshipping practices) and knew anything at all about the historical culture of the Canaanites (which anyone can see the chapter is referring to if they read the opening verses), it's obvious that the verse is not referring to homosexuality, but a specific same-sex religious practice common at the time in which the chapters were written.
The specific practice is an idolatrous worshipping ritual where male sacred temple prostitutes would dress as a female goddess (like Astoreth) and men would have sex with them to worship the fertility gods. (as with a woman). The Hebrew word "zachar" (translated into English as "male") was most often used to describe a male who was involved in some sort of ritualistic or sacred duties, not just any ordinary "male".
It's much easier NOT to do any research into the original Hebrew and the local cultures of the time, if you want to simply "interpret" the verse as "implying" homosexuality. The same goes for the couple of mentions in the NT of similar practices in Paul's time. If we had pagan fertility gods and temples today like they had then, it would be obvious to anyone what was being referred to. But we don't, so people project their modern interpretations on to these verses without understanding the context.
Every time I write about this on these forums, I get accused of "twisting" scripture by people who have little or no knowledge of the context and languages the scriptures were written in. I'm beginning to think many people actually believe the Bible was originally written in English.
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So you are saying that your interpretation is correct, but what scholars and theologians have been studying for nearly 2 millenia are incorrect in their interpretations. That is pretty drastic in of itself. What evidence in Scripture can you provide that condones the homosexual lifestyle?
Scholars and theologians have their own biases. Just look up the different interpretations of Deut 23-17 for example. Deuteronomy 23:17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
The King James translators translated the Hebrew words "qadeshim" and "qadesh" as "whores" and "sodomites" -which shows their own biases. The verse has more recently been corrected in many English versions as "female temple prostitutes" and "male shrine (or temple) prostitutes".
Another example is 1 Cor 6. This verse used to be used for centuries to condemn masturbators, not homosexuals. In fact the word "homosexuals" was not used in an English translation until the Revised Standard Version in 1946.
More and more Biblical scholars are re-examining the handful of verses which have been used to condemn homosexuals and interpreting them in their original context.
What will all the anti-gay Christians do when all the verses they have been using to condemn homosexuals all those years are eventually translated correctly in their original context? Go around condemning male temple prostitutes worshipping Canaanite and Roman fertility gods? Good luck finding any.
Here is a scripture that I believe may have a bearing on this:
Matthew 19.12 " For there are eunuchs who have been born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for thekingdom of heaven's sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it."
I have never seen this addressed here, or heard a sermon on it. But I do think the bolded part may refer to those who wish to attain the kingdom of God.
Asking this of them is no worse than expecting anyone to give up all for the kingdom of God.
And I do not think the way one is "born from their mother's womb": is technically the same as "being created by God". God set the birth cycle into motion, and it is a natural occurance...it is not a new creation. I do not believe that every one that is born is predetermined to be physically as they are. I do believe God knows us before we are born, but I believe it is the spiritual 'us' that He knows.
Many are born with disabilities due to some natural cause. It is not something God gave them! We are all responsible spiritually for how we believe and behave.
God made Man to be with a woman. If you don't want to be with a woman you could choose calibacy.
Homosexuality is a choice, just like pedophiles, and beastiality. It's a choice. And God says it's a sin.
I'm personally not going to judge you.
God bless. He loves you.
The moment anyone compares homosexuality with pedophiles and beastiality, is the moment that I don't take anything they say seriously on the subject.
End of story...
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