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Old 12-04-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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Why does God need men to show you wisdom?....Di Paul need other men or was God sufficient?
They are the wisdom, they were granted gifts of teaching and interpretation by God. I wasn't. I can only be like the Bereans and compare what they say to scripture with the gift of discernement God has granted me and His allowing me to grow in holiness through prayer and study.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:01 PM
 
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got you!
amen!
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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I agree wholeheartedly, our job is to just preach the gospel and God does the converting. His elect are out there.
Amen, Little Bro.........
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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No, I was truthful - it's this newfangled internet that I suspect is fooling me...
I went to college for engineering and when that died off..i went for computer science....it is just changing so fast it is hard to keep up with...lol
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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amen!
And on that note, gotta go home. It was a pleasure talking to you tonight sir.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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They are the wisdom, they were granted gifts of teaching and interpretation by God. I wasn't. I can only be like the Bereans and compare what they say to scripture with the gift of discernement God has granted me and His allowing me to grow in holiness through prayer and study.

How do you know they were granted the gifts of teaching and interpretation and are not simply repeating what they have been taught themselves by others? And isn't it possible that two different people whom god has blessed with gifts of teaching and interpretation might still make mistakes and therefore contradict one anothers interpretations and teachings?
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Old 12-05-2009, 05:45 AM
 
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That's not very good news, is it.

If I told you, "most of your friends & family is going to be tormented forever, but you can be saved from all that", would you say that is good news?




Well I would say, the good news is no one has to die and go to Hell. They could give their Life to Christ, and be saved. And that is why I have tried to tell everyone I meet about Jesus, and His salvation.

Matthew 7:13,14

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, (AND FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.)
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Old 12-05-2009, 07:52 AM
 
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How do you know they were granted the gifts of teaching and interpretation and are not simply repeating what they have been taught themselves by others? And isn't it possible that two different people whom god has blessed with gifts of teaching and interpretation might still make mistakes and therefore contradict one anothers interpretations and teachings?
I've always been confused about prophecy (though I've been around it all my life - I've seen some bear fruit, and most not). God permits a circus around His works, and I confess I don't know why.

1 Corinthians 14:32 tells us that "the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is not a God of confusion but of peace." That scripture, I confess, confuses the heck out of me. If God did not want confusion, then why didn't He make the spirits of the prophets subject to Him rather than themselves? That's the fox guarding the hen house, and we've seen the results of that over the centuries. There are people everywhere speaking for God who are as full of flesh as the admitted pagan - so both the speaker and the hearer must have the spirit of the Lord.

Man is at best a vessel that is used by God, but only as the annoiting rests on him. The other 364.99 days of the year, it's going to be his opinion, and nothing more, imo.
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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I think that is exactly why you believe what you believe, for you it is unimaginable to think that people you know and love may not be members of the Elect of God and you find that horrifying....it is humanistic thought.....understanding God in terms of human behavior when we are flawed individuals, even our very thought are flawed.....
The problem is not them being non-elect. I agree only a few are elect.

The problem is that you think only the elect are saved.

The problem is that you have NO problem with people being tormented/tortured for eternity.

The problem is that you think caring about others eternal destiny and well being (even the non-elect's) is "humanistic".

Jesus told us to love our neighbor and love our enemies. This would include the non-elect. Apparently Jesus words are now "humanistic"?
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:38 PM
 
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No, i have a well balanced theology.....But, what is the point in repenting in this life if i am going to have a second shot at it after the judgement?...there has to be a reason for me to repent....
This "well balanced theology" of yours includes babies burning in torment for eternity, as you have stated in other threads. How is it good news that babies are burning in hell?

The reason to repent is to know God. The reason to repent is God's kindness, for it is God's kindness that leads us to repent. The reason to repent is because God commands us to. The reason to repent is because there are consequences for what we do. A man will reap what he sows. Reread the parable of the prodigal son.
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