Question about masterbation (Revelation, believe, pray, sin)

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by denverian

Not doable... if he doesn't do it, his body will expel the built up semen during his sleep, and when it happens, he'll have sexual dreams. So is that a sin to have a sexual dream? Lust? Probably lust, but lust no male has control over. Even older men can only go so long without sex or masturbation. This is just male anatomy, and no religious dogma can trump anatomy. Churches that teach it's a sin are simply trying to control people, but in the end, just set a standard no one can maintain, so I see it as harmful to teach that masturbation is a sin, if not cruel.

God, the Great Architect of the Universe, designed us. And He declared all His creation to be 'good'. Our design is good, and how our bodies are designed to function is good.

Anyone who teaches a doctrine opposing that, is clearly not teaching from God's Word.

[Oakback]

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[Enow]

Originally Posted by CantWait2Leave

Completely not true. You do not have to lust when you masturbate. You can focus on the feelings and not have any images in your mind. Trust me. TheMarriageBed.com is a great Christian website and they talk about this. There are many Christians on that site that agree that lusting and masturbating do not go hand in hand. They can, but it's absolutely possible to masturbate and have a clean mind.

What about affections which is not lust?

Galatians 5:24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

How does masturbation escape this list on the works of the flesh? Lasciviousness is sexual excessivness.

Galatians 5: 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I find the progression from idolatry/ pornography to lasciviousness, to uncleanness significant as fornication and adultery follows after it.

Jude 1: 23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Does not masturbation or ejaculation cause garments to be spotted by the flesh?

Romans 6: 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Some will testify that masturbation is addictive.

In a society that hypes sexual imageries and sex appeal, one can be set in the mood or in motion just physically long after sighting the image.

If masturbation was acceptable, then why this instruction?

1 Corinthians 7:6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

There would be no need to contain nor any necessity of avoiding burning if masturbation was okay, right?

Hebrews 13: 4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

A bed can be defiled by sperm being spilled on it in according to OT.

It seems to me that uncleanness is masturbation and why I need Jesus to not yield my members to what can be seen by appearance as also serving lust.

1 Thessalonians 5:21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I know that wet dreams fall under a different category than masturbation, but still, both does suggest a need to bring to the Lord Jesus in prayer for help.

I trust Him to lead me away from even the weights that are not necessarily sin, but certainly besetting me in running the race. I cannot look to myself in overcoming it, but to the author and finisher of my faith as He did say to take heart for He overcome the world: Him being in us, He will overcome that as well.

1 Peter 4: 1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

Proverbs 3: 5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Psalm 19:14Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

Would the Gentiles not see us as strange if we abstained from it?

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As far as avoiding prostate cancer, I heard drinking orange juice does the trick too. So we do not necessarily need that work of the flesh to save our lives.

Anyway: seems the advise of taking to Jesus in prayer is sound, but don't forget to discern by the scriptures, the meat of God's words to discern good and evil.

1 Corinthians 3: 1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Hebrews 5: 11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

I rest in Jesus Christ and His promises to me.

1 John 1: 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 3: 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 Corinthians 10:12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Philippians 3:14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

[LuckyGem]

Originally Posted by RazorRob305

I feel that this subject isn't talked about in the church at all, and needs to be addressed. I'll go to a church and hear how sex before marraige is bad as it says in the bible. Well I agree, and am guilty of it, and guilty of sleeping with a technically married woman that was separated from her husband for over a year. Well they always say stuff about relationships and about how sex is wrong unless you are married but at the same time they themselves are married and don't have the temptation there.

Well i know I was wrong, and I don't want to sin against God again but how can a preacher who has sex all the time that is married sit there and tell me the rules but he can never help singles like myself understand how to release all that built up tension that forms in our bodies in the form of fluids? I know looking at other women when you are in a relationship or married is bad, but is looking at women if u are single a bad thing?

I say that because in the Bible i remember a passage where Jesus explains how if u look upon a woman with lust that you are committing adultery. Well that brings me to masterbation. If u are married and you masterbate while thinking of your wife is it a sin? and if you are single is masterbating a sin? Any responses are appreciated thank you.

Let me ask you this.

The bible is 2000 something years old. If you think that humans have only been on the planet for 2000 years, I suggest you study anthropology.

What makes you think that man's morality only began 2000 years ago? People have been having sex for over 100,000 years. Why now all of a sudden does it go against G_d because of the book that is 2000 years old.

Everyone has their own idea of what's moral, just as some believe that they have to place an extraordinary amount of faith in a book that's 2000 years old so they don't behave like cretins and animals.

Personally, I think people are way too hard on themselves and should take a more scientific approach to their bodily functions and mental state.

The bible isn't a medical book. The bible is a TOOL for people who believe in christian faith to use as a GUIDE on how they should live a "christian" life. The interpretation is eventually left up to the particular denomination they practice within Christianity. And believe it or not, the bible is a book that is man made as are all religions made by mankind.

If you're masturbating, what makes you think that G_d is going to strike you down or something bad is going to happen to your soul? Why does guilt have to be part and parcel of every negative action you perceive to have within Christianity? Guilt. Will eat your soul and along with regret is the biggest mind fu** there is that religion places upon mankind.

Sex is a NORMAL necessary human behavior. Like eating and drinking. When it is compulsive, harms someone else, done deceitfully, or perversely, are the only times it is bad. And when sex is harmful it's usually not done alone in private as masturbation usually is unless it's a harmful compulsive part of a mental disorder.

[Asheville Native]

If your god had not want you to masturbate, he would have made your arms shorter.

[mercy777]

I'm just going to put somethings out there to think about...
God said, Be Holy for I am Holy.
The marriage bed is blessed, anything sexual beyond this is not. Sex beyond this is the carnal nature. Put away the carnal nature with it's lusts of the body. (desires)
Why lust after a man/woman including yourself for a moment's pleasure.
Christ is pure and holy in every way and the example of complete purity. Follow me.
Mary, complete purity.
James 1: 13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
If it is not blessed by God, why do it? If it has not promised you righteousness, why do it?
If it is not making you holy, why do it? If it is not what the Master did, why do it?
God sustains us in all purity. Jesus is more than enough.

God Bless,
Mercy

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by Enow

What about affections which is not lust?

Galatians 5:24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

How does masturbation escape this list on the works of the flesh? Lasciviousness is sexual excessivness.

Perhaps it 'escapes' it because the Author wished to not include it.

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Jude 1: 23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Does not masturbation or ejaculation cause garments to be spotted by the flesh?

Masturbation 'spots' your clothing?

Really?

A woman masturbates and it leaves a stain on her clothing?

I am not familiar with this.

Okay, assuming that it is not happening in public; and that your not doing this onto your clothing before wearing that clothing in public, I do not see where this is unclean.

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Romans 6: 12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Some will testify that masturbation is addictive.

Breathing is much more addictive.

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In a society that hypes sexual imageries and sex appeal, one can be set in the mood or in motion just physically long after sighting the image.

If masturbation was acceptable, then why this instruction?

1 Corinthians 7:6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

There would be no need to contain nor any necessity of avoiding burning if masturbation was okay, right?

No.

I will find that many single-people or even married-people are not in a sexual relationship with anyone; if they likewise have a high sex drive, they 'burn'. They may have a difficult time containing their desires.

This has a physical drive behind it, physical and God given.

The more 'ideal' way of handling it is to be within a stable marriage have to have a spouse that likewise has these urges. So that as a couple you can tend to each others' needs.

But this 'ideal' situation does not always happen.

... Hebrews 13: 4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

A bed can be defiled by sperm being spilled on it in according to OT.

It seems to me that uncleanness is masturbation and why I need Jesus to not yield my members to what can be seen by appearance as also serving lust.

It may easily 'seem' this way to you.

However others wish to derive their doctrine from the Bible. Instead of from what seems right to men.

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As far as avoiding prostate cancer, I heard drinking orange juice does the trick too. So we do not necessarily need that work of the flesh to save our lives.

Orange Juice will ward off cancer?

Cool so I can smoke and never get cancer because I also drink Orange Juice?

Are you seriously suggesting this?

Anything which you do that causes cancer in a percentage of the population, will still cause cancer in a percentage of the population.

[flawdagurl]

i understand what you mean, i think its ok and its forgivable its not like your some prev runing around peeping threw peoples windows watching them while masterbating! because your right someone in a good relationship (marriage) cant understand how it feels to spend those cold lonely nights alone, and anyone who sees someone highly attractive will have those thoughts... it's only natural!!! i do it all the time because i;m single and not looking for a one night stand with some random guy!!!

[Enow]

Originally Posted by forest beekeeper

Perhaps it 'escapes' it because the Author wished to not include it.

The problem here is that as man's dictionary changes through time, one has to take into account that there was another word for masturbation and it is uncleanness.

Masturbation 'spots' your clothing?

Really?

A woman masturbates and it leaves a stain on her clothing?

I am not familiar with this.

Okay, assuming that it is not happening in public; and that your not doing this onto your clothing before wearing that clothing in public, I do not see where this is unclean.

Speaking from a male point of view, even the women knows that men have "accident" without masturbation. I saw one woman commenting on her date wetting himself accidentally in recalling that account right in front of the one she had a date with and he was not embarrassed either of her giving that account. He did not say anything, but then, it was a brief spot.

Breathing is much more addictive.

Saracasm will always fail to make the point. Breathing is a necessity to live: masturbation is not.

I

will find that many single-people or even married-people are not in a sexual relationship with anyone; if they likewise have a high sex drive, they 'burn'. They may have a difficult time containing their desires.

This has a physical drive behind it, physical and God given.

The more 'ideal' way of handling it is to be within a stable marriage have to have a spouse that likewise has these urges. So that as a couple you can tend to each others' needs.

But this 'ideal' situation does not always happen.

Hence, let them marry lest they burn.

It may easily 'seem' this way to you.

However others wish to derive their doctrine from the Bible. Instead of from what seems right to men.

Since it is a christian forum addressing from the Biblical view....

Proverbs 14:12 12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Ephesians 5:1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth 10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Orange Juice will ward off cancer?

Cool so I can smoke and never get cancer because I also drink Orange Juice?

Are you seriously suggesting this?

A poster that I cannot recall in this thread had referenced sex and thus implied that masturbation would prevent colon cancer. The post kind of stress it as a means for saving yourself even by referencing a funny story. That is why I referenced the orange juice: and no, that is not saying that you can smoke and chug carcinogen and expect not to get colon cancer if you drink orange juice.

I believe it was a commercial showing a baby in the backseat, listening to the car radio that orange juice would prevent cancer and while the mother was in the driver's seat, the baby helped himself to the groceries and humorously chugged down the gallon of orange juice where in the next scene the jug is empty implying the baby dranked it all in mere seconds. Whethor it is hype or not, it really boils down to impacted fecal matter in the colon and as sex drive does indeed stimulate bowel movements, so does excercise, orange juice, caffiene, and even castor oil if one wants to clean oneself out annually to make sure.

Anything which you do that causes cancer in a percentage of the population, will still cause cancer in a percentage of the population.

Of course. And since colon cancer is somewhat related to impacted fecal matter, maintaining bowel movements is key, but I am just sharing that one does not need to resort to sex or masturbation to do it.

[Enow]

Also... I wish to point out how fornicators can see clearly that it is sin, because they would refer to it as justification for them to have sex before marriage.

The Phil Donahue show had shown an audience in agreeing that everyone masturbates, and that if they say they do not, they are lying, by which Phil repeated dryly, whethor or not he had agreed with that shouted statement from the audience at that time, I recall not nor the conclusions that Phil would end with on that show.

Society can be influential through television and even music: discerning what is good and evil or of the flesh and not necessarily involving lust: believers are to remember that we are also to abstain from all appearances of evil and if masturbation can serve lust, then even if one believes they are doing it without lust, it is yielding your instruments to the flesh and still a poor witness.

Ephesians 5:1-16 has stated "all uncleanness" and that no unclean person shall have an inheritance in the Kingdom of God ( which is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb) and so this is the same high calling to take the sin before that throne of grace for help as any believer in homosexuality or any other sin should do as well to be found abiding in Him and not be found as the prodigal son giving up his first inhertance for something temporary as Esau sold his birthright for a meal.

I know christian ministries are "sympathizing" with this issue in the same way that other ministries are doing with homosexuality, but as hard as this is: Jesus Christ is the answer. He will deliver us so that sin shall no longer have dominion over us.

It does seem strange how the world will step in and defend and try to help those that are doing it to not feel guilty about it... but the crux of the matter rests in going to Jesus in helping us to know the will of God on this social issue which is sin.

One should be careful when applying: to him that is unclean or sin.. to him it is unclean or sin because if He says it is sin, we need to go to Him for help to be delivered from it.

Does our body control us or do we have self control? I really believe part of the problem is what we take in through the eyes and ears and so let us not love the world or anything that is in the world that promotes the pride of life, the lust of the eyes, and the lust of the flesh, because as much as believers will acknowledge the obviousness of the latter two, we forget to discern and apply by His grace and help what is of the pride of life.

Masturbation does imply a lack of contentment no matter how you look at it.... and certainly is not godliness.