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Old 11-16-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Now do that for New York City
It wouldnt be worth the trouble becuase as far as widespread Asian distribution, NY is flat out not in the same league as either Northern or Southern California.

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However, this isn't very relevant. I'm sure an Asian out in Modesto really has an affect on an Asian person in San Francisco in the same way an Asian in Flushing has on an Asian in Fresh Meadows....
50% of the Asians in the NY metro region cram into a tiny 300 sq mile area. The second large concentration is in New Jersey far removed from the city itself.

One has to wonder if they feel like they arent welcome in other areas?

On the other hand, I can travel by car 80 miles straight thru a vast, contiguous, heavily populated area that is rich, poor , middle class, urban, suburban and even rural that has a large concentration of Asians for nearly the entire drive.

Do that and then we'll talk. In the meantime, I consider you an up-and-comer.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: So California
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But the numbers would be pretty damn close if you combined NYC and Philly.

You're penalizing the Asian community in NYC because they don't comprise as large a percentage of the overall population as they do in the Bay Area, even though the raw numbers are not dissimilar. I understand the point you're making, but I think a good case can be made for New York simply because of the numbers.

Washington, DC and Atlanta are far blacker metro areas than the Tri-State, but I don't think you could easily dismiss NYC from the running based on that fact alone. Similarly, you can't dismiss NYC because it's not as Asian as the Bay Area percentage-wise.
^^as I said New York has the raw numbers like SF or LA, but the asian percentages and influence extend throughout California. You'd have to have another metro on the east coast with similar numbers, as well as all the outlying towns. Youve got Nyc with huge overall numbers and the whole east coast with bigger overall numbers in terms of population, but the percentages, and over all numbers point to the west coast.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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50% of the Asians in the NY metro region cram into a tiny 300 sq mile area. The second large concentration is in New Jersey far removed from the city itself.
Yeah, but Bergen, Orange and Passaic Counties are a helluvalot closer to NYC than Sacramento, Fresno and Stockton are to the Bay Area. How can you talk about New Jersey being "far removed from the city itself" when you brought up a city (Sacramento) that is two hours away from San Francisco?
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: So California
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Yeah, but Bergen, Orange and Passaic Counties are a helluvalot closer to NYC than Sacramento, Fresno and Stockton are to the Bay Area. How can you talk about New Jersey being "far removed from the city itself" when you brought up a city (Sacramento) that is two hours away from San Francisco?

thats just an example, as he said its throughout, its not just pockets
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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^^as I said New York has the raw numbers like SF or LA, but the asian percentages and influence extend throughout California. You'd have to have another metro on the east coast with similar numbers, as well as all the outlying towns. Youve got Nyc with huge overall numbers and the whole east coast with bigger overall numbers in terms of population, but the percentages, and over all numbers point to the west coast.
How does this translate into being a bigger cultural hub? What difference does it make if the people are dispersed throughout the region or more highly concentrated in one urban area? I would think you'd have more cultural vibrancy in the latter. I mean, that's pretty much the difference between, say, Fort Greene, Brooklyn and Harlem and the Black Belt stretching from South Carolina to Mississippi.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: So California
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How does this translate into being a bigger cultural hub? What difference does it make if the people are dispersed throughout the region or more highly concentrated in one urban area? I would think you'd have more cultural vibrancy in the latter. I mean, that's pretty much the difference between, say, Fort Greene, Brooklyn and Harlem and the Black Belt stretching from South Carolina to Mississippi.
Dude....how many times do we have to go over it. Asian culture is pervasive throughout the entire state and highly concentrated in the Bay area and Socal. Both. A concentration equal to New York with higher percentages in two metro areas, plus the rest of the state. C'mon.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Dude....how many times do we have to go over it. Asian culture is pervasive throughout the entire state and highly concentrated in the Bay area and Socal. Both. A concentration equal to New York with higher percentages in two metro areas, plus the rest of the state. C'mon.
And with that, I am confident we have dispensed with this subject.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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There are already threads debating the "Asianess" of California and New York

https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...w-york-25.html
https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...a-area-vs.html
https://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...-portrait.html

I'm tired of doing statistics. It's going to get ignored regardless for some ramblings that have no real world bearing.

If you want to INCLUDE West Asians/Middle Easterners in this, the gap between the whole state of California, including LA and SF, and NYC widens even more:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...-portrait.html

Top 10 states for Middle Easterners

California: 794,941
New York: 282,406
Michigan: 217,171
Florida: 159,216
New Jersey: 139,642
Texas: 132,475
Massachusetts: 112,348
Virginia: 95,272
Illinois: 91,227
Pennsylvania: 84,475

Top 10 MSA's/CSA's by Middle Eastern population
Los Angeles CSA: 501,425
New York CSA: 377,670
Detroit CSA: 195,543
Bay Area CSA: 140,586
Boston CSA: 129,366
Washington DC CSA: 124,055
Chicago CSA: 106,691
Miami MSA: 64,693
San Diego MSA: 60,513
Dallas-Fort Worth CSA: 51,690

No clue why that was brought up anyways.

If you don't want to look at the numbers, or say 'I don't have time to sift through the numbers' despite spending hours debating something, then that's on you.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Top 10 states for Middle Easterners

California: 794,941
New York: 282,406
Michigan: 217,171
Florida: 159,216
New Jersey: 139,642
Texas: 132,475
Massachusetts: 112,348
Virginia: 95,272
Illinois: 91,227
Pennsylvania: 84,475

Top 10 MSA's/CSA's by Middle Eastern population
Los Angeles CSA: 501,425
New York CSA: 377,670
Detroit CSA: 195,543
Bay Area CSA: 140,586
Boston CSA: 129,366
Washington DC CSA: 124,055
Chicago CSA: 106,691
Miami MSA: 64,693
San Diego MSA: 60,513
Dallas-Fort Worth CSA: 51,690
pwned.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: So California
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From that thread also...

Top 10 states (Asian and in combination):
1.
California: 4,915,225
2. New York: 1,415,502
3. Texas: 891,844
4. Hawaii: 708,074
5. New Jersey: 685,068
6. Illinois: 596,109
7. Washington: 505,255
8. Florida: 478,233
9. Virginia: 414,944
10. Massachusetts: 336,803
Top 10 total: 10,947,057

Top CSA's/MSA's (where CSA's aren't available) where Asian Americans live (Detailed Tables - American FactFinder)

Los Angeles CSA: 2,204,836
New York CSA: 1,964,485
Bay Area CSA: 1,672,456
Washington DC CSA: 611,444
Chicago, IL CSA: 539,801
Honolulu, HI MSA: 539,141
Seattle, WA CSA: 434,828
Boston, MA CSA: 372,300
San Diego, CA MSA: 347,193
Houston, TX CSA: 341,328
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