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The poorest areas that he's talking about don't represent the majority of the city, though. No one is making an opinion only on the best areas. They're providing a counter to the argument that MC is just one giant slum. That's just not the reality, and anyone who had actually visited should know better.
I live here, willfully. It's interesting that certain people would rather go by things they read or short visits than the actual experiences of real residents, but whatever. Bias seems to matter more than experience and facts these days. It's all about what people feel.
but they are representing, if not slums then next to it all with runned down areas.
I am done and tired of trying to prove my points. They are obviously well spelled out thus I am out of this conversation. Feel free everyone to beat up on my statements the moment you know you won't get a response from me. Adios
Chicago does have dangerous ghettos and Toronto is way better at that. But again MC falls way behind with its massive sprawl of SLUMS and runned down areas no matter the reasons for existing being historical,cultural, economical etc! You can spin it and twist it all you want, call somebody racist, bigot, uninformed all the nice words but it still wont take out that factor and reality of a big chunk of MC's residents. https://mexicocity2012.jimdo.com/slums/
Go ahead glamorize MC but at the same time you're glamorizing those deplorable conditions of those "unknown" millions
This is a picture of just that one slum with its FOUR MILLION residents which is the word's largest:
Ciudad Neza and other far outer suburbs that you're talking about and linked to aren't even in the city itself. They're in the State of Mexico and are part of the greater metro area, but not within the actual city boundaries. Many of the pics on your links aren't even from the Mexico City metro area, but other parts of the country, especially border cities.
It is essentially trying to justify the white narrative of the European occupation of native lands.
The argument can be summarized as "Since you can't seem to get along with your neighbors - the land you live on is better off in our hands."
This is a perverse and paternalistic argument of the worst order. The American in this movie scene (and by extension Wildwestdude since he is sharing it to further his argument) is infantilizing the society of the First Nations people. It is the age old idea from western Europeans that the First Nations people "don't know how to live" and that the whites are there to correct the native's way of living.
Within the social and political framework of the First Nations peoples, conflicts were at least fought on terms they and their enemies understood - they had a much higher degree of agency and determination of their own fate prior to their absolute disenfranchisement under European occupation. Under the Europeans they faced land dispossession, limited access to water and food resources, their languages were banned.
And for Wildwestdude to say that internal conflicts among the natives justified all of this treatment....
but they are representing, if not slums then next to it all with runned down areas.
I am done and tired of trying to prove my points. They are obviously well spelled out thus I am out of this conversation. Feel free everyone to beat up on my statements the moment you know you won't get a response from me. Adios
Maybe if you didn't base your points on such absolutist, and factually incorrect, statements, you'd get less pushback. But you don't, so feel free to pretend like you're being really reasonable and unbiased.
Let's compare the three cities on vibrancy, culture, size (largest to smallest in feeling), amenities, scenery, international influence, food, more urban, history, architecture, public transit, etc.
These are 3 of the best and largest cities in North America, and so I see no need to tear one of them down to make the others look better. I would happily live in any one of them and they are all fantastic to visit. As the most ethnically diverse city in the world, Toronto is hardly a vanilla town. As the seventh richest city in the world, Mexico City is hardly a collection of poverty-stricken slums, and the posting of images of slums that are not even in the city is absurdly egregious and stupid.
That said, I think Mexico City is in a different tier to Toronto and Chicago. It's population is over twice the size of Chicago and around 3 times the size of Toronto. Size is not the only factor here. The valley of Mexico, with a few ups and downs, has been one of the largest urban areas in the world for over 700 years and it shows, as pointed out upthread. Mexico City is also the largest Spanish speaking city in the world. It is a media, cultural and artistic capital in a way that Toronto and Chicago, no slouches themselves are not. They both play second fiddle to London, New York and Los Angeles in the English speaking world. In the Spanish speaking world, Mexico City plays second fiddle to no-one.
Architecturally, it is spectacular, despite having a lot of very ugly 1970s cinderblock infill. Its public spaces are often magnificent. Of the great city squares i have seen in the world, only Red Square in Moscow and St. Peter's in Rome can compare to the Zocalo.There are more 17th and 18th century buildings in the Centro Historic than there are in Madrid. There are over 200 museums in Mexico City. There are some very fine museums in Chicago and Toronto, none of them of the caliber of the Museo Antropologia. The Art Institute of Chicago comes closest, but is not nearly as distinctive. Public Art in Mexico City is unbelievable. Nightlife too. The best street food I have ever experienced... Now that the air quality is greatly improved, one can appreciate the incredible natural surroundings. The city is ringed by volcanoes, the tallest reaching some 17 000 feet, the fifth highest peak in North America. The weather is deliciously temperate year round. While the subway does not run 24/7, it is a super-efficient way to get around and has over 5 times the ridership of Toronto's subway system.
They are all great cities, and if we were talking safety and diversity, Toronto would win, if size of GDP, Chicago, but IMO, and by many, but not all metrics, and for the original criteria of the comparison: "vibrancy, culture, size (largest to smallest in feeling), amenities, scenery, international influence, food, more urban, history, architecture, public transit" Mexico City is the clear winner here.
Chicago, then Toronto, then a lot of space, then Mexico City.
What are you talking about? Mexico City is far bigger feeling, more urban, with far better public transit and more vibrancy than either Chicago or Toronto. You've clearly never been to Mexico City.
OK. For any other reason we say 20 plus million in MC but when we count the slums they don't count?(Just like we count the WHOLE AREA in other cities like Juarez, Sao Paulo , Naerobi etc and that is NOT to say there is a lack of slums in MC) A+for manipulating and twisting of the one thing you all refuse to see or acknowledge the vastness! JUST PATHETIC . Some of you don't even know of the wide existence of those areas.
Moreover, what a class act some of you are when you take cheap shots of those that leave the conversation when they say the have made their points multiple times. Such self justifying righteousness to the full! ,
MC IS FULL OF MULTI SQUARE MILES OF HELLHOLE SLUMS AND ALSO RUNNED DOWN AREAS. TO SAY OTHERWISE YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELVES AND OR LIVE IN A BUBBLE. Don't like the truth ? You're due for a major reality check. Keep trying to put lipstick on a pig! Period
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