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Why are you typing in bold? Is it part of your PR bit? As for what I highlighted, huh? Cleveland's metro is just over 2 million people (lazy wicki search shows 2,068,283), and shrinking slightly. St. Louis is just under 2.8 (2,795,794) and growing slightly. Just under 3 would not be considerably larger than St. Louis, it'd be about the same size, but what are you using exactly?
Cleveland-Akron, OH CMSA - 2,911,683 ( Ranked 15th largest )
St. Louis, MO-IL MSA - 2,563,801 ( Ranked 18th largest )
Greater Cleveland and environs has over 400,000 more inhabitants, that's quite a sizable difference.
Is this a joke? You use CMSA and/or CSA numbers for Cleveland and 1998 MSA number for St. Louis??? Wow, talk about shady posting...
MSA numbers: (which is what we were talking about, not CSA or CMSA) as of July 1, 2012 (no we aren't going to use numbers from 98 for St. Louis), as estimated by the US Census Bureau:
Is this a joke? You use CMSA and/or CSA numbers for Cleveland and 1998 MSA number for St. Louis??? Wow, talk about shady posting...
MSA numbers: (which is what we were talking about, not CSA or CMSA) as of July 1, 2012 (no we aren't going to use numbers from 98 for St. Louis), as estimated by the US Census Bureau:
St. Louis 2,795,794
Cleveland 2,063,535
Unbelievable...
What an idiot! I posted my source by including the link where the information for both Cleveland and St. Louis was listed.
Invest in some new eye glasses, there's nothing "shady" at all about the information I provided.
St. Louis' pull covers about half of MO, a big chunk of Southern IL, and maybe some of AR. That city has little to Zero importance in KS, OK, and TN.
He has that under his section about culture, so in some areas such as sports I can certainly see what he's saying (Memphis is home to the St. Louis Cardinals minor league affiliate, so there is certainly a connection for TN), if that's what he had in mind...
What an idiot! I posted my source by including the link where the information for both Cleveland and St. Louis was listed.
Invest in some new eye glasses, there's nothing "shady" at all about the information I provided.
Is this a joke? Did you read my post? Or your own source? Your number for St. Louis is from 1998!!! And you don't even use the same metric for both cities! Hoiw dumb do you think people are? I gave present MSA numbers, this is pathetic... Thanks for quoting my post that shows you out though!
Is this a joke? You use CMSA and/or CSA numbers for Cleveland and 1998 MSA number for St. Louis??? Wow, talk about shady posting...
MSA numbers: (which is what we were talking about, not CSA or CMSA) as of July 1, 2012 (no we aren't going to use numbers from 98 for St. Louis), as estimated by the US Census Bureau:
St. Louis 2,795,794
Cleveland 2,063,535
Unbelievable...
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Originally Posted by JohnDBaumgardner
What an idiot! I posted my source by including the link where the information for both Cleveland and St. Louis was listed.
Invest in some new eye glasses, there's nothing "shady" at all about the information I provided.
Saving this in case you try to edit it later. You or either dishonest, or not very...
Is this a joke? Did you read my post? Or your own source? Your number for St. Louis is from 1998!!! And you don't even use the same metric for both cities! Hoiw dumb do you think people are? I gave present MSA numbers, this is pathetic...
While fault finding, please consider the actual "link" that I provided. It's not as if I typed in my own statistics for each city on that website .... ah, DUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
It clearly shows that Cleveland is still a larger MSA and CMSA ... but then this thread is actually about which city is poised to make a stronger comeback.
Again, I'll place my wagers on Cleveland. Its amenities, location and future are infinitely better.
While fault finding, please consider the actual "link" that I provided. It's not as if I typed in my own statistics for each city on that website .... ah, DUHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
It clearly shows that Cleveland is still a larger MSA and CMSA ... but then this thread is actually about which city is poised to make a stronger comeback.
Again, I'll place my wagers on Cleveland. Its amenities, location and future are infinitely better.
I did read your link, the source of the fault, (did you actually read all of it?) since I noticed that your numbers didn't match the current US Census Bureau numbers, which is why I asked what you were using in the first place, and I found that St. Louis's number was MSA (what we were talking about) and Cleveland's was CMSA; furthermore, your numbers were from 1998.
The numbers I posted are up to date MSA numbers from the Census Bureau, this is not complicated. Are you making that wager in 1998 also by chance?
I did read your link, the source of the fault, (did you actually read all of it?) since I noticed that your numbers didn't match the current US Census Bureau numbers, which is why I asked what you were using in the first place, and I found that St. Louis's number was MSA (what we were talking about) and Cleveland's was CMSA; furthermore, your numbers were from 1998.
The numbers I posted are up to date MSA numbers from the Census Bureau, this is not complicated.
Oh, Gawd!!! Don't have a tantrum over this. Blame Google! I typed in my search query for 2013 population figures for Cleveland's MSA / CMSA - my search return was the link I provided. St. Louis was also on that list of 48 cities with metro populations over 1 million.
This thread pertains primarily to which city will stage a stronger come-back - Again, I believe that Cleveland will emerge in a much stronger position than St. Louis. In Cleveland, we're much better aligned to major shipping channels, we are closer to other major cities and the amenities in our region are arguably much more substantial than in the St. Louis area. Our setting on a GREAT LAKE provides infinite possibilities ... far greater than those that exist on the banks of the muddy Mississippi River.
Before you even try to go there ... our Cuyahoga River doesn't catch fire anymore! LOL
Oh, Gawd!!! Don't have a tantrum over this. Blame Google! I typed in my search query for 2013 population figures for Cleveland's MSA / CMSA - my search return was the link I provided. St. Louis was also on that list of 48 cities with metro populations over 1 million.
This thread is pertains primarily to which city will stage a stronger come-back - Again, I believe that Cleveland will emerge in a much stronger position than St. Louis. In Cleveland, we're much better aligned to major shipping channels, we are closer to other major cities and the amenities in our region are arguably much more substantial than in the St. Louis area. Our setting on a GREAT LAKE provides infinite possibilities ... far greater than those that exist on the banks of the muddy Mississippi River.
Before you even try to go there ... our Cuyahoga River doesn't catch fire anymore! LOL
Reading your source is considered unnecessary to you? You used numbers that were clearly incorrect, (out of date and different metrics) you were asked about the numbers and decided to call me an idiot, say I need glasses to read your source (which you of course did not), say "duuuhhhh", etc. I think you've quite clearly shown everyone your abilities for forming arguments in this thread, your character, and how well you check your information. You sir are a very, very poor spokesman for Cleveland...
Judging from your other posts as well, I'd let others speak for Cleveland if I were you.
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