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View Poll Results: Better chance of making a comeback
Cleveland 38 37.25%
St Louis 64 62.75%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-03-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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Economic and Population wise? Both of these cities used to one of the 10 largest cities in the 1950's and lost over 50% of thier populations. So which city has a better chance of making a comeback?
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I'd argue St. Louis. Cleveland as a whole seems to have been hit a lot harder than STL by the Rust Belt effect.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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STL, no question about it. A more fair comparison would be Detroit and Cleveland, imo.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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STL, no question about it. A more fair comparison would be Detroit and Cleveland, imo.
I disgare, my vote is cleveland.
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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I love Cleveland, but being as objective as I can be, St. Louis is in much better shape.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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I love Cleveland, but being as objective as I can be, St. Louis is in much better shape.
I like Cleveland better than I like St Louis (and I like them both a great deal), but I'm going to have to go with the consensus, here.

Sorry, but I just don't think Cleveland's free-fall is over. St Louis feel like it has put the brakes on its skid and is finding better ways to adjust to its diminished status. I think it has the potential to recreate itself as one of the nicest, most successful mid-sized cities in the country within decades.

Then again, it might just be that I'm in St Louis a lot more and am more familiar with it, its quirks and hidden gems, and have seen more of the recent changes affecting it.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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I disgare, my vote is cleveland.
disagree all day, who cares ..
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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How about some facts, anyone? I've seen nothing "objective" yet (i.e. population growth, GDP growth, unemployment rates, vacancy rates, housing starts, capital investments, population trends, net absorption, cost/SF changes, rental prices, income per capita, etc.)!
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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I haven't either. Maybe people are putting a lot of stock in the St. Louis MSA's +0.29% growth rate versus Cleveland's -0.66% -- I don't know. To a Chicagoan they're both in the same category. Make your case, St. Louis!
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Obiviously st.louis. The suburbs of st.louis are still growing and the metro area is staying stagnant for lack of a better word. Cleveland's metro area actually has declined in population in the past 30 years.
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