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Right, but the data doesn't change. They adjust the previous numbers to fit the current boundaries.
Yes but the rankings were different which is what I was addressing. Prior to DC-Baltimore's creation, the top 5 CMSAs were:
1 NY
2 LA
3 Chicago
4 SF
5 Philadelphia
The person I responded said that prior to 2000, Philly and Boston were both larger than SF and DC but thats not correct. SF had already surpassed both Philly and Boston well before 2000.
I don't think Philly ever lost a county either. Mercer County was never part of the Philly CSA, so not sure why a few forumers are always whining about Mercer. The commute numbers aren't remotely close. Philly whining about Mercer makes about as much sense as NYC whining about Burlington or Atlantic counties. We're talking an enormous difference in relative commuting.
And Mercer is a relatively small county with a shrinking population. It's largely irrelevent.
It's because mercer county practically borders philly, and is culturally delaware valley
I don't think Philly ever lost a county either. Mercer County was never part of the Philly CSA, so not sure why a few forumers are always whining about Mercer. The commute numbers aren't remotely close. Philly whining about Mercer makes about as much sense as NYC whining about Burlington or Atlantic counties. We're talking an enormous difference in relative commuting.
And Mercer is a relatively small county with a shrinking population. It's largely irrelevent.
Mercer was part of the Philly MSA up until the late 90s, beyond a CSA county actually a MSA county
It's because mercer county practically borders philly, and is culturally delaware valley
But this doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with MSAs or CSAs.
And I don't even think the premise is true. How is a typical Mercer County resident "culturally Delaware Valley"? They tend to be from New York, not Philly. Places like Hamilton are filled with tons of ex New Yorkers fleeing high home prices. Masses of Italian Americans from the South Shore of Staten Island. Philly residents don't move there because for Philly folks the home prices are higher and the distances are longer.
And the Mercer population center is around Princeton, which is a NY commuter town. Philly gets few commuters from Mercer, and the commuter rail basically stops at the Mercer line, right at the CSA boundaries.
But this doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with MSAs or CSAs.
And I don't even think the premise is true. How is a typical Mercer County resident "culturally Delaware Valley"? They tend to be from New York, not Philly. Places like Hamilton are filled with tons of ex New Yorkers fleeing high home prices. Masses of Italian Americans from the South Shore of Staten Island. Philly residents don't move there because for Philly folks the home prices are higher and the distances are longer.
And the Mercer population center is around Princeton, which is a NY commuter town. Philly gets few commuters from Mercer, and the commuter rail basically stops at the Mercer line, right at the CSA boundaries.
no the population center is not close to Princeton its right on the Bucks county PA border
I spent a lot of my youth growing up about 3 miles from Mercer county, it is influenced by both areas and some of its own identity but I really don't agree with a lot of your points based on my experience
If you notice a line goes to trenton and west trenton. Btw, trenton is the county seat of mercer county. CSA's are obviously a flawed metric.
That's exactly what I previously wrote. SEPTA goes only right to the Mercer County border, which shows that Mercer commuters aren't headed to Philly. Otherwise there would be SEPTA service.
You haven't explained why CSAs are a flawed metric. You haven't given one reason, outside of "Waah, no fair".
no the population center is not close to Princeton its right on the Bucks county PA border
None of this is true. The population/growth center of Mercer is in North Mercer.
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I spent a lot of my youth growing up about 3 miles from Mercer county, it is influenced by both areas and some of its own identity but I really don't agree with a lot of your points based on my experience
That's fine. We all have biases. Doesn't mean your biases line up with facts. The fact is that there's not one logical reason why Mercer would be part of the Philly MSA or CSA.
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That's exactly what I previously wrote. SEPTA goes only right to the Mercer County border, which shows that Mercer commuters aren't headed to Philly. Otherwise there would be SEPTA service.
You haven't explained why CSAs are a flawed metric. You haven't given one reason, outside of "Waah, no fair".
Huh? SEPTA goes right into the economic heart and center of population of Mercer County, which is Trenton. From a business perspective, it would make no sense to extend the line out any further.
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None of this is true. The population/growth center of Mercer is in North Mercer.
That's fine. We all have biases. Doesn't mean your biases line up with facts. The fact is that there's not one logical reason why Mercer would be part of the Philly MSA or CSA.
Trenton: 84,913
Hamilton Township: 88,464
Ewing Township: 35,790
That's 209,167 people out of 366,513 (57%) geographically closer to Philadelphia than New York. Until I see some stats from you otherwise about the "growth center" of Mercer being further north, I'll take that claim with a grain of salt, but the population center, to include Mercer County's most important municipality, is absolutely closer to Philly--kidphilly has even posted a density map.
None of this is true. The population/growth center of Mercer is in North Mercer.
That's fine. We all have biases. Doesn't mean your biases line up with facts. The fact is that there's not one logical reason why Mercer would be part of the Philly MSA or CSA.
you said population which was and clearly is on the PA border. Sure Plainsboro has a higher % growth rate and way fewer people living there relative to the areas directly on the Bucks County PA border
Also neither Philly NYC proper are the draws of commuters from Mercer
Mercer attracts and sends commuters to neighboring counties in PA and NJ
the commuter rates are what they are and the job centers moved from Fairless hill PA to Ewing (Merrill and the route 1 corridor etc
historically Mercer was a Philly MSA county today is a NYC CSA.
Mercer has historically more population associated with Philly. today it sends more commuters a few miles over NYC counties boundaries then before as job centers on route 1 and 287 grew. Its not commuters to Manhattan making it a NYC CSA county by any means but those drive a few miles north as opposed to a few miles south
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