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Yes but those are the only two metros that seems to be growing the rest of the metro/micros are shrinking, most metros in Alabama are growing, Birmingham MSA, Mobile CSA, Tuscaloosa MSA, Huntsville MSA/CSA, Auburn MSA, Dothan MSA, Even Montgomery MSA. According to my calculations Mobile CSA and Birmingham MSA may have actually grew a little more than Huntsville MSA/CSA based on my calculation (my calculations was less than 1% off of what the actual census said was correct so I’m confident in my math) even Montgomery MSA gained about 20k. So again Oklahoma has had two big cities that’s growing but Alabama but has at least 7 metros that are growing and this total growth is much larger than the total growth of Tulsa and OKC together
Your calculations?
The census says that Montgomery and Mobile's MSAs both lost population and OKC alone grew about as much as all of Alabama's MSAs combined.
The Census says that Oklahoma has five MSAs and four of them grew. Alabama has 12 and only seven of them grew.
Total growth of MSAs in Oklahoma was 237k to Alabama's 173k.
The census says that Montgomery and Mobile's MSAs both lost population and OKC alone grew about as much as all of Alabama's MSAs combined.
The Census says that Oklahoma has five MSAs and four of them grew. Alabama has 12 and only seven of them grew.
Total growth of MSAs in Oklahoma was 237k to Alabama's 173k.
No, Alabama was shorthanded 125k these past 10 years until the real 2020 census. I created a simple yet thoughtful equation based on housing stock that estimates population gains and where these 125k people are. When I finished my equations and combined them the total projected population gain was 126k, so my math is pretty solid it seems. This math shows that Birmingham MSA and Mobile CSA were the big players shorthanded these past 10 years with slow to stagnant growth in these area that just are untrue. Montgomery MS also gained about 20k population according to my calculations. So of course I can't confirm until the census update, but given the simplicity of real estate and my math knowledge, I'm highly confident in my math to an error of about 1-4% which means there won't be much variation among my math. So again means that Alabama outpaced Oklahoma, Which makes sense since as Alabama gained 37k more people during the 2020 Census time
No, Alabama was shorthanded 125k these past 10 years until the real 2020 census. I created a simple yet thoughtful equation based on housing stock that estimates population gains and where these 125k people are. When I finished my equations and combined them the total projected population gain was 126k, so my math is pretty solid it seems. This math shows that Birmingham MSA and Mobile CSA were the big players shorthanded these past 10 years with slow to stagnant growth in these area that just are untrue. Montgomery MS also gained about 20k population according to my calculations. So of course I can't confirm until the census update, but given the simplicity of real estate and my math knowledge, I'm highly confident in my math to an error of about 1-4% which means there won't be much variation among my math. So again means that Alabama outpaced Oklahoma, Which makes sense since as Alabama gained 37k more people during the 2020 Census time
I think I'll stick with the official estimates from the professionals until they are proven wrong.
I think I'll stick with the official estimates from the professionals until they are proven wrong.
I wouldn't call them "professionals" but anyways they've already proven themselves wrong, for the past 10 years in fact. The metro populations are estimates so that means they are still 125k behind what the actual census says, which still makes your comparisons VERY false. Just looking at the basic numbers can give you sense of where the short falls have been
What are they other than Oklahoma City, Tulsa and Lawton?
Enid and Fort Smith, AR. Stillwater will likely be one soon. It's also very possible that NWA will add Oklahoma counties. Enid may slide out of being a MSA if the city falls under 50k.
Again, Birmingham is in the same range as Oklahoma's cities. The other three are not.
Mobile, Huntsville, and Montgomery may not be in the same tier as OKC and Tulsa, but Oklahoma has no other real cities besides those two either. Alabama has more urban variety compared to Oklahoma but OKC and Tulsa appear to be more distinct from each other than most might think.
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Birmingham is a city with a real downtown. But a pretty miserable city that has lost almost half it's population in the last several decades and is a crime disaster.
Why do you say Birmingham is a "pretty miserable city"? Certainly it lost a large share of its population because of heavy White flight in the 60s and 70s in the wake of some pretty transformative social justice victories that were fought and won in the city as well as the prevailing national socioeconomic climate at the time as other cities did. Good thing have definitely been happening in the city over the past several years though.
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Mobile is a small city with a small downtown and is a city I like a lot. Montgomery and Huntsville are nothing more than large towns with sprawling suburbs. In the Oklahoma region much like NWA.
Montgomery has a respectable urban core for its size with some historically significant tourist attractions and I saw where the city just broke ground on its downtown whitewater course which should be cool. Huntsville's strengths are mostly socioeconomic in nature and not when it comes to things that are more traditionally urban.
I wouldn't call them "professionals" but anyways they've already proven themselves wrong, for the past 10 years in fact. The metro populations are estimates so that means they are still 125k behind what the actual census says, which still makes your comparisons VERY false. Just looking at the basic numbers can give you sense of where the short falls have been
Of course they are professionals. The yearly estimates are just that: estimates. The Census folks have a methodology for determining the estimates which of course have their margins of error and when they determine that the official decennial Census counts vary with intercensus estimates to great enough extent that it indicates significant under or overcounting of populations, they publicize that and issue the appropriate modifications. One of the most significant marks of a professional is recognizing and owning statistical errors, making the proper corrections, and publicizing such matters. And keeping in mind that it's well over 300M bodies in the U.S. to gather and analyze data for, the Bureau does a pretty good job under normal circumstances. With that said, last year's circumstances were absolutely NOT normal so I wouldn't be surprised if more challenges to population data are levied for the 2020 Census compared to any other in recent history.
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